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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

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    Well, I was just using slavery as a quick example. However, today, there are things such as institutionalized racism. Yet overall, I'd say that the main problem isn't racism, but economics.
    Economics? Explain please.
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

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    Well, I was just using slavery as a quick example. However, today, there are things such as institutionalized racism. Yet overall, I'd say that the main problem isn't racism, but economics.
    With the exception of a few glitches, in the time period from post-WWII, until 2007, we were economically very sound. This covers a span of 60 or so years.
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Economics? Explain please.

    Sure. Black Americans first began in slavery and then from there to sharecropping in which there was no way to build the economy of black America. Due to the involvement of institutions and the government, the Civil Rights Movement was co-opted and watered down and the War On Drugs and the creation of welfare, became a way to incarcerate blacks en masse, thus furthering the problems of the black economy. If you want more detailed info, I would recommend reading this lengthy, but extremely interesting article (An Empire of Poverty: Race, Punishment, and Social Control « The People's Book Project).
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

    I appreciate the input, Mr. Invisible.

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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

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    Sure. Black Americans first began in slavery and then from there to sharecropping in which there was no way to build the economy of black America. Due to the involvement of institutions and the government, the Civil Rights Movement was co-opted and watered down and the War On Drugs and the creation of welfare, became a way to incarcerate blacks en masse, thus furthering the problems of the black economy. If you want more detailed info, I would recommend reading this lengthy, but extremely interesting article (An Empire of Poverty: Race, Punishment, and Social Control « The People's Book Project).
    There is no "economy of Black America". The economy is an American economy, and knows no racial bounds or exclusions.
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Sure. Black Americans first began in slavery and then from there to sharecropping in which there was no way to build the economy of black America. Due to the involvement of institutions and the government, the Civil Rights Movement was co-opted and watered down and the War On Drugs and the creation of welfare, became a way to incarcerate blacks en masse, thus furthering the problems of the black economy. If you want more detailed info, I would recommend reading this lengthy, but extremely interesting article (An Empire of Poverty: Race, Punishment, and Social Control « The People's Book Project).
    You had me until the war on drugs and welfare. No one crafted either of those programs as a way to "incarcerate blacks en masse" nor are they a way to "incarcerate blacks en masse". The war on drugs targeted hispanics just as much and more whites are on welfare than blacks. Also, I'd like to hear your explanation of the civil rights movement being "co opted".
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Racism, yes, in some portions of the country is still a problem. Slavery? No way. Slavery ended 150 years ago. Thats plenty of time to recover. Many a Irishman and Italian migrated to this country with little to no education, no knowledge of the English language (Italians), and no prospects. Those races are doing just fine. I'm not claiming to know why the black race hasn't prospered, but I know it can't be blamed on slavery anymore. That's ridiculous. As for the Jewish comparison, don't just think holocaust. Look back further at what that people has been through. Each time adversity came to them, they overcame it. As they still do today.
    The African American experience is exceptional in the fact that American society as a whole has been unable to properly incorporate them. Keep in mind that, again, much in the way of social progress did not start until the 1960s and continues to evolve today. For a variety of reasons, the experience is just exceptional. Sociologists have still found Africans immigrating to America have a better experience.
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I wish this story would get more attention. This is an awesome display of motivated youths demanding they be educated. Those youths also happen to come from the black inner city of Detroit. Where's Al Shapton on this one? These kids need exposure. They need a voice larger than a back page story. This is the kind of stuff activists should get behind. Highlighting schools that fail their students. Highlighting absent fathers. These are the roots of the black community's struggles. If they tackle this stuff, I believe they would find a much more accepting and willing public arena to speak in when they set forth claims of racism and inequality. People like Al Sharpton, if they really want to help their race, should work on improving THEIR race and not everyone else's. You can't change the way people perceive you. But you can improve your perception of yourself. Bravo to these kids for taking an interest in their education when no one else would!
    Detroit High School Protest: Students Suspended After Demanding 'An Education'
    Nice racist baiting title and paragraph.
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    You had me until the war on drugs and welfare. No one crafted either of those programs as a way to "incarcerate blacks en masse" nor are they a way to "incarcerate blacks en masse". The war on drugs targeted hispanics just as much and more whites are on welfare than blacks. Also, I'd like to hear your explanation of the civil rights movement being "co opted".
    OK. Here are excerpts from the article:

    The Ford Foundation also sponsored the Grey Areas program in the early 1960s, which evolved into President Johnson’s “War on Poverty,” as a program for “urban renewal,” but was, in fact, concerned with issues arising out of poor people’s (and particularly poor people of colour’s) resistance to major urban growth projects undertaken by a coalition of corporations and corporatist labour unions following World War II. As Roger Friedland wrote:

    Political challenge by the poor, and especially the nonwhite poor, threatened the dominance of the corporations and labor unions and the growth policies they pursued. It was the poorest neighborhoods which were displaced by urban renewal and highway construction, whose housing stock was depleted by clearance, whose employment opportunities were often reduced both by the expansion of office employment stimulated by central business district growth and by restrictive unionization on large construction projects and municipal jobs, and whose services were constrained by the enormous fiscal costs of the growth programs.[38]

    It was in this context that the Ford Foundation established programs aimed at ameliorating the antagonisms within the impoverished communities, not through structural or systemic change of the causes of poverty, but through organization, institutionalization, and legalistic reform programs, thus leading to the government’s “War on Poverty.” The same approach was taken in regards to the Civil Rights movement.

    The major foundations “supported the moderate civil rights organizations in response to the ‘radical flank’ threat of the militants, while non-elites (churches, unions and small individual donors) spread their support evenly.”[40]

    Elite patronage of the Civil Rights movement “diverted leaders from indigenous organizing and exacerbated inter-organizational rivalries, thereby promoting movement decay.”[41] Foundation funding for civil rights did not become significant until 1961-62, five years after the Birmingham bus boycott, and the peak of foundation support for civil rights was in 1972-73, four to five years after the assassination of King.[42] [B]This indicated that foundation grants to civil rights were ‘reactive’, in that they were designed in response to changes in the movement itself, implying that foundation patronage was aimed at social control. [...] Many of the foundations subsequently became “centrally involved in the formulation of national social policy and responded to elite concerns about the riots.”[44]


    For clarification purposes, I am mentioning slavery in a historical context for in order for us to effectively aid the black community, we must first understand why the black community is the way it is today, which would require a historical look of black people over time in terms of politics, economics, and culture.


    In terms of the War on Drugs:

    As reported in the journal, Punishment & Society:

    The impact of these developments has fallen disproportionately on young African-Americans and Latinos. By 1994, one of every three black males between the ages of 18-34 was under some form of correctional supervision, and the number of Hispanic prisoners has more than quintupled since 1980. These developments are not primarily the consequence of rising crime rates, but rather the ‘get-tough’ policies of the wars on crime and drugs.[60]

    [...]

    Just as took place during the criminalization of black life following the Civil War, the criminalization of black life following the Civil Rights Movement saw not only the growth of incarceration rates for the black community, but also saw the growth of the use of the prison population as a source of cheap labour. In today’s context, with privatization of prisons, outsourcing of prison labour, and other forms of exploitation of the “punished” population, this has given rise to what is often referred to as the “prison-industrial complex.”[63]
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    Re: What blacks should be protesting: Detroit high students revolt against staff

    I'm trying to understand. I really am. I'm having a really hard time, though.

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