A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

AGENT J said:

1.)no, its not an opinion. Its a fact that bombing and abortion clinic is terrorism.
2.) no its not, im christian and its not "murder" nor is there any facts to classify it as murder. Sorry religion doesn't give one the excuse to make up any facts they want to go against society. Should people start killing fortune tellers? or their kids when they back talk and scorn their parents? hey its in the bible.

sorry those types of "opinions" are not facts
3.) and this is exactly they type of hyperbolic nonsensical mentally unstable rantings im talking about. There are FACTS then there are things made up
4.) this is true HE can say it, but FACTS prove otherwise. Thats my whole point.
5.) well the only way to keep it honest and rational is to understand facts trump what their feelings and opinions are. Ranking them equal would be the irrational and dishonest part.
6.) and those people are sociopaths and psychopaths in this case. I agree with you they think they are not but facts disagree.

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I hope you have better arguments than those.

Gimmesometruth said:

After investigators identified him on Monday night as the suspect in the attack, the records show, Grady quickly admitted to it. He said he "lit up the clinic" and also told investigators why.

"Grady advised he has protested against abortions in front of that Planned Parenthood clinic on prior occassions (sic)," the document said. "Grady said he is pro-life, believes in God, and disapproves of the activites (sic) taking place at the clinic."

Those same motives were on display Wednesday at his initial appearance in federal court in Green Bay. Outside the courthouse, a reporter asked him why he did it.

"Because they're killing babies there," Grady replied.

Inside the courtroom, according to the Green Bay Press-Gazette, he interrupted the judge and asked, "Do you even care at all about the 1,000 babies that died screaming?"

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They died screaming?

The person must know more than anybody else on the planet/universe. To scream one needs air, last time I checked babies do not have one. And how about consciousness, most fetuses barely have functioning brains.

This person has not been drinking but drowning in the anti-abortion Kool Aid big time.

The logical end result of religious brainwashing coupled with countless hours of listening to anti-abortion zealots describing fetuses as "babies". I bet we have more than one or two on this forum who quietly praise this fool's actions.

Gimmesometruth said:

After investigators identified him on Monday night as the suspect in the attack, the records show, Grady quickly admitted to it. He said he "lit up the clinic" and also told investigators why.

"Grady advised he has protested against abortions in front of that Planned Parenthood clinic on prior occassions (sic)," the document said. "Grady said he is pro-life, believes in God, and disapproves of the activites (sic) taking place at the clinic."

Those same motives were on display Wednesday at his initial appearance in federal court in Green Bay. Outside the courthouse, a reporter asked him why he did it.

"Because they're killing babies there," Grady replied.

Inside the courtroom, according to the Green Bay Press-Gazette, he interrupted the judge and asked, "Do you even care at all about the 1,000 babies that died screaming?"

Records Paint Bumbling 'Bomber' In Wisconsin Planned Parenthood Attack

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Why did you resurrect this year and a half old thread?

And why didn't you update it? It took a jury less than an hour to find Francis Grady guilty of federal arson. The friend with whom he had been drinking and who called the cops when the news of the small fire broke testified that when he hatched his crazy, stupid plan, the ex-con wasn't himself.

This sounds "disturbed" to me: "The Kaukauna man said he wanted to, 'release the souls of the children,' who had died in the clinic and, 'give them their last rites.'"

And the bomb? This crazy, dumb guy took a hammer to a window and then poured gasoline into a clinic room and used a lighter to set it on fire.

Jury finds Francis Grady guilty of setting fire to Planned Parenthood clinic - News - WTAQ News Talk 97.5FM and 1360AM

So the point of this thread necro was what?

Redress said:

This is why we have police and stuff, to find stuff like this out. I will wait for them before rushing to judgement.

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Speculating on the perps isn't the same as 'rushing to judgement. In fact, those very same 'police and stuff" use such speculation to direct said investigation and to "find stuff like this out".

Where the issue lays with such speculation is when it's presented as a fact without supporting evidence and such attacks are reduced to political fodder to attack one's political opponents.

Example: "Wow, I bet it was some christian conservative nut bag." is ok and more than reasonable.

"Wow, do you see how violent all conservatives are" is not ok and makes someone a douche bag

Redress said:

That would be the least likely chance. However some will make that claim for real soon.

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So there are more likely suspects than others? If that is the case, what is the issue with pointing that out?

danarhea said:

And what if a PP supporter did it in order to make anti-PP'ers look bad? This is a possibility.

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Sure it's a possibility, but really unlikely. Hence the use of the word "guess"

The bomb was set to go off when nobody was at the building, and nobody was hurt. Anti-abortion nuts have a long and well established history of setting off their bombs so that people get killed by them, which tells me that there is something not quite right about this bombing.

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actually one of the first abortion clinic bombing in this country was done on X-mass morning 1984.

PS do you find it odd you're taking issue with speculation as you speculate?

danarhea said:

This comes just before the Republican primary Tuesday. My bet is that this was a political statement, but who made it? Answer the poll.

Article is here.

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My money is on Army Of God.

Krasche said:

What I don't understand is... why the hell would you have an issue with an organization trying to PREVENT unready teens from being parents and causing a lifetime of hardship for the baby? Secondly, who the hell BOMBS the place? Regardless of who did it, they obviously have some issues...

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because you view the fetus as a person and PP is heavily involved in the abortion debate?

Not that I agree with the position, but I am always mystified when people show a complete inability to understand it

calamity said:

The logical end result of religious brainwashing coupled with countless hours of listening to anti-abortion zealots describing fetuses as "babies". I bet we have more than one or two on this forum who quietly praise this fool's actions.

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If it is the logical result, then why do we have such a low number of similar incidents?

joG said:

I hope you have better arguments than those.

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translation: you got nothing and cant argue against the facts. Thats what i thought.

GOt it, let me know when you can.

danarhea said:

This comes just before the Republican primary Tuesday. My bet is that this was a political statement, but who made it? Answer the poll.

Article is here.

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It was some lunatic who knows how to make bombs. Catch his/her ass, charge him/her with terrorism, and act accordingly. They want to send a message? We can, and should send messages too. Gitmo is still open, let's send a message that its cells aren't just open for little brown people from foreign countries. Acts of terrorism are not to be tolerated from anybody.

Dr. Chuckles said:

If it is the logical result, then why do we have such a low number of similar incidents?

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I don't think it's a "low number" at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States
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In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[8][9]
March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before in 1984 and was also bombed subsequently in 2012.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[10] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian's murder after being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at a church in Wichita, Kansas.[11]

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calamity said:

I don't think it's a "low number" at all.

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According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[12]

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So concerning the cited population from above, in two countries, there were 214 serious property crimes, plus an additional 91 attempted in the past 35 years.

That is an extremely low number, especially if you are claiming it's the inevitable outcome of the combination represented by their political and religious positions. And lets not even get into the 8 casualties cited above

calamity said:

I don't think it's a "low number" at all.

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Take a look at vandalism in general, acts of violence, etc. as a whole. Yes, it is a small number.

Dr. Chuckles said:

So concerning the cited population from above, in two countries, there were 214 serious property crimes, plus an additional 91 attempted in the past 35 years.

That is an extremely low number, especially if you are claiming it's the inevitable outcome of the combination represented by their political and religious positions. And lets not even get into the 8 casualties cited above

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Thousands of acts of terrorism, hundreds of them involving bombs, is not a small number. You really need to abandon that "low number" angle.

TheNextEra said:

Take a look at vandalism in general, acts of violence, etc. as a whole. Yes, it is a small number.

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8 people assassinated for doing their job, earning a living a d providing a legal service, is a lot. What ****ing planet do you live on?

calamity said:

8 people assassinated for doing their job, earning a living a d providing a legal service, is a lot. What ****ing planet do you live on?

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That is 8 people since 1993 (20 years). In 1993 alone, 437 known murders occurred within the city limits of Philadelphia.

The real sin here is necromancy.

calamity said:

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Thousands of acts of terrorism, hundreds of them involving bombs, is not a small number. You really need to abandon that "low number" angle.

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lol, yes it is. That's over 35 years and concerning millions of people you claim as inevitable actors.

PS where are you getting "Thousands of acts of terrorism" and "hundreds of them involving bombs"? Your own source lists 41 bombings over that time period

Dr. Chuckles said:

lol, yes it is. That's over 35 years and concerning millions of people you claim as inevitable actors.

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Has any other legal American enterprise experienced thousands of terrorist attacks, with premeditated murders and deadly bombings? It's a lot of attacks. Only a moron would minimize the insanity of it.

calamity said:

Has any other legal American enterprise experienced thousands of terrorist attacks? It's a lot of attacks. Only a moron would discount the insanity of it.

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I'm not sure I understand the question? But if you're asking if any issue has generated this amount of violence, I am sure there are more than a few. But regardless of that, you didn't really address my argument

PS again, where are you getting "thousands of terrorist attacks"?

Dr. Chuckles said:

I'm not sure I understand the question? But if you're asking if any issue has generated this amount of violence, I am sure there are more than a few. But regardless of that, you didn't really address my argument

PS again, where are you getting "thousands of terrorist attacks"?

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Your argument is stupid.

calamity said:

Your argument is stupid.

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That's a pretty thought provoking reply. I'll need time to consider it.

Surtr said:

It was some lunatic who knows how to make bombs. Catch his/her ass, charge him/her with terrorism, and act accordingly. They want to send a message? We can, and should send messages too. Gitmo is still open, let's send a message that its cells aren't just open for little brown people from foreign countries. Acts of terrorism are not to be tolerated from anybody.

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Well, it was a crazy, but he wasn't a bomb-maker. Guy used a hammer to break a window, poured gasoline, and used a lighter to set what news reports on his conviction for federal arson have called a small fire.