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A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

Who bombed the Wisonsin Planned Parenthood?

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Ockham said:
From the 1970's:

United Freedom Front
M19CO
Don't forget the BLA (Black Liberation Army)
Black Panthers, New Black Panther Party (modern variant)

Recent organizaitons? Very few like the Animal Liberation Front / Earth Liberation Front tend to be firebugs. Most tend to be invdividuals on both sides of the violence. Example: James Von Brunn.


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James Brunn was a white supremacist, Holocaust denier and a birther. I don't think that exactly falls on the left.

It's the political scientist in me that sees left and right violence differently. Historically, the Left has been more group orientated while the Right tends to be more lone wolf-type violence. Most Leftist violence has been Marxist inspired (M19CO, Weathermen, UFF) and typically manifests itself as bombings to destroy systems, not people. The context is violence against an oppressive minority on a majority. As far as I've read, most Leftist revolutionaries in the US tend to avoid trying to kill people, and instead rely on the symbolism as the message (such as the Senate bombings).

Extreme right-wing violence, on the other hand, does tend to target actual people. This kind of extremism is usually based in some sort of tribalism, whether it's race or religion or other like-mindedness. Targets of right-wing violence have historically been minorities or some form and the ideals tend to be of preferences for certain groups over others. I would argue that here are more murders on this extreme because of the common worldviews held by many of these groups. It simply allows or encourages for more violence against others than the typical extreme Left position.

Both are equally negative, but if we're getting into the details, that's my analysis.
 
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Doesn't matter who it was arrest the domestic terrorist and throw away the key!
If they killed people give them the death penalty.

What is ironic is "IF" this was a person against abortion it makes no sense because the likely hood is that their were more people there not getting or giving abortions than anything else and probably even children there, so those would have been the people to get hurt or killed. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
Sorry... wha? Lol.... no. There isn't any doubt. You're creating it cause you got caught making **** up.
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No... Sorry, I don't have the ability to create false stories from 2009 and then link to them. My time machine is in the shop you see.
 
Ockham said:
No... Sorry, I don't have the ability to create false stories from 2009 and then link to them. My time machine is in the shop you see.
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Here I'll show you why you're fabricating doubt:

The magazine is about a mile north of the Holocaust Museum, and there's no other indication that von Brunn had targeted it. Von Brunn's published rants included attacks on "neocons," and the Standard has been at the heart of the neoconservative movement.
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There is no suggestion that Van Brun targeted the place. Actually, if an address on a piece of paper is a suggestion of a target, you may as well call a receipt a suggestion of a target. Wait, it's not, it's a giant leap of logic by you and whomever Ben Smith is.
 
Nobody can be sure who did it, but to me it makes sense that an Anti-abortion zealot did this.
 
danarhea said:
His ass has just been arrested by the FBI.

Maybe they should mess with HIS reproductive health a little, by cutting off his nuts. LOL. :mrgreen:
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With just a little nosing around - Francis G. Grady has a very nice rap sheet and a mugshot on mugshots.com.

Francis G Grady Mugshot - Mugshots.com - Find Mugshots Online. Official Records, Criminal Records, Arrest Records

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His rap sheet after looking it up on Wisconsin's Statue search is impressive between 1990 and 2011. However, arson hasn't been one of his priors. Drugs, theft, battery, burglary... but no arson. His last crime was in 2011 which is where the mug shot came from. Most of his crimes are from Okagamie Wisconsin, which is just a few miles away from where this arson occurred near Appleton WI. I'm about 99% sure this is the guy.

940.20 (1 count) F = Felony
961.41 (1 count) Cocaine (CM), (1R)> one gram but no more than 5 grams. Class F Felony
343.44 (1 count) Operating while revoked - Misdemeanor
939.05 Parties to a crime
939.50 (3) For a Class C felony, a fine not to exceed $100,000 or imprisonment not to exceed 40 years, or both.
943.10 Burglary Felony
161.16 Controlled substances
161.53 Controlled substances
939.62 Increase penalty for habitual criminality
100.20 Methods of competition in business and trade practices in business shall be fair. Unfair methods of competition in business and unfair trade practices in business are hereby prohibited. Misdemeanor
943.20 Theft Felony
 
Ockham said:
With just a little nosing around - Francis G. Grady has a very nice rap sheet and a mugshot on mugshots.com.

Francis G Grady Mugshot - Mugshots.com - Find Mugshots Online. Official Records, Criminal Records, Arrest Records

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His rap sheet after looking it up on Wisconsin's Statue search is impressive between 1990 and 2011. However, arson hasn't been one of his priors. Drugs, theft, battery, burglary... but no arson. His last crime was in 2011 which is where the mug shot came from. Most of his crimes are from Okagamie Wisconsin, which is just a few miles away from where this arson occurred near Appleton WI. I'm about 99% sure this is the guy.

940.20 (1 count) F = Felony
961.41 (1 count) Cocaine (CM), (1R)> one gram but no more than 5 grams. Class F Felony
343.44 (1 count) Operating while revoked - Misdemeanor
939.05 Parties to a crime
939.50 (3) For a Class C felony, a fine not to exceed $100,000 or imprisonment not to exceed 40 years, or both.
943.10 Burglary Felony
161.16 Controlled substances
161.53 Controlled substances
939.62 Increase penalty for habitual criminality
100.20 Methods of competition in business and trade practices in business shall be fair. Unfair methods of competition in business and unfair trade practices in business are hereby prohibited. Misdemeanor
943.20 Theft Felony
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Looks to me like they don't have a 3 time loser law in Wisconsin. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Looks to me like they don't have a 3 time loser law in Wisconsin. LOL.
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Yeah - I'm still wondering how he got out on that 939.50 which has up to 40 years tacked onto it. He must have had a very lenient judge as that one was in 2010. He shouldn't be back out on the street so fast....
 
'Ya know, a thought just occurred to me. Seems like this loser has been in prison most of his life. If so, it's my bet that he became so institutionalized that he couldn't make it outside of prison, and wanted to go back. What better way to get safely back into the institution than to bomb a PP clinic in such a way that nobody gets killed, while the crime itself is so serious that it guarantees him 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his life.

This is my bet.
 
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danarhea said:
'Ya know, a thought just occurred to me. Seems like this loser has been in prison most of his life. If so, it's my bet that he became so istitutionalized that he couldn't make it outside of prison, and wanted to go back. What better way than to bomb a PP clinic in such a way that nobody gets killed, while the crime itself is so serious that it guarantees him 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his life.

This is my bet.
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Could be... I can't see this guy being some right wing religious zealot out to make a point about children. That seems like a long shot..... or maybe he was paid to do it by someone else?
 
Ockham said:
Could be... I can't see this guy being some right wing religious zealot out to make a point about children. That seems like a long shot..... or maybe he was paid to do it by someone else?
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A right wing zealot is the last thing this dufus is. LOL.

And he wasn't paid by anyone. He doesn't want to try and make it on the outside, and so wants to leech of the prison system the rest of his life. In prison, he's a rock star mad bomber. Outside the walls he is nothing. LOL.
 
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danarhea said:
His ass has just been arrested by the FBI.

Maybe they should mess with HIS reproductive health a little, by cutting off his nuts. LOL. :mrgreen:
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Well, that won't happen, but they should put him away for a long time. This was terrorism no matter how you cut it. Imagine if he ha a MidEastern name, it would be dominating the news today.
 
pbrauer said:
Well, that won't happen, but they should put him away for a long time. This was terrorism no matter how you cut it. Imagine if he ha a MidEastern name, it would be dominating the news today.
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Terrorism would depend, in part, on his motivation for the bombing. Not all explosions are terrorism.
 
Ockham said:
Could be... I can't see this guy being some right wing religious zealot out to make a point about children. That seems like a long shot..... or maybe he was paid to do it by someone else?
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After investigators identified him on Monday night as the suspect in the attack, the records show, Grady quickly admitted to it. He said he "lit up the clinic" and also told investigators why.

"Grady advised he has protested against abortions in front of that Planned Parenthood clinic on prior occassions (sic)," the document said. "Grady said he is pro-life, believes in God, and disapproves of the activites (sic) taking place at the clinic."

Those same motives were on display Wednesday at his initial appearance in federal court in Green Bay. Outside the courthouse, a reporter asked him why he did it.

"Because they're killing babies there," Grady replied.

Inside the courtroom, according to the Green Bay Press-Gazette, he interrupted the judge and asked, "Do you even care at all about the 1,000 babies that died screaming?"

Records Paint Bumbling 'Bomber' In Wisconsin Planned Parenthood Attack
 
Gimmesometruth said:
After investigators identified him on Monday night as the suspect in the attack, the records show, Grady quickly admitted to it. He said he "lit up the clinic" and also told investigators why.

"Grady advised he has protested against abortions in front of that Planned Parenthood clinic on prior occassions (sic)," the document said. "Grady said he is pro-life, believes in God, and disapproves of the activites (sic) taking place at the clinic."

Those same motives were on display Wednesday at his initial appearance in federal court in Green Bay. Outside the courthouse, a reporter asked him why he did it.

"Because they're killing babies there," Grady replied.

Inside the courtroom, according to the Green Bay Press-Gazette, he interrupted the judge and asked, "Do you even care at all about the 1,000 babies that died screaming?"

Records Paint Bumbling 'Bomber' In Wisconsin Planned Parenthood Attack
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does anybody know what bobbaylock looks like? i wonder if thats him since he supports these kind of terrorist activities.
 
danarhea said:
This comes just before the Republican primary Tuesday. My bet is that this was a political statement, but who made it? Answer the poll.

Article is here.
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It is a rather sticky topic and I personally do not really know, what is and is not justified.
 
joG said:
It is a rather sticky topic and I personally do not really know, what is and is not justified.
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theres nothing sticky about it, bombing this clinic is a terrorist act and its not justified by any amount of sane logic.
 
AGENT J said:
theres nothing sticky about it, bombing this clinic is a terrorist act and its not justified by any amount of sane logic.
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I admit that that is sound logic, if you do not think it legitimate to use violence to prevent mass murder and you think abortion is not mass murder. If you set different premises, however, the bombing is as legit as apple pie. Remember the revolution? We did that for taxes. And if you ask me, that was fine.
 
joG said:
I admit that that is sound logic, if you do not think it legitimate to use violence to prevent mass murder and you think abortion is not mass murder. If you set different premises, however, the bombing is as legit as apple pie. Remember the revolution? We did that for taxes. And if you ask me, that was fine.
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well im dealing with FACTS not fantasy, abortions is factually not mass murder.

there people out there that think rape and child molestation is ok also but they are factually wrong just like bombing an abortion clinic is.

not to mention even logic that mentally retarded and broken to make one believe that about is mass murder does justify bombing a clinic since people that have nothing to do with abortion would get killed.

so the only way its as fine as apple pie is if your a mentally insane psycho and sociopath.
 
AGENT J said:
well im dealing with FACTS not fantasy, abortions is factually not mass murder.

there people out there that think rape and child molestation is ok also but they are factually wrong just like bombing an abortion clinic is.

not to mention even logic that mentally retarded and broken to make one believe that about is mass murder does justify bombing a clinic since people that have nothing to do with abortion would get killed.

so the only way its as fine as apple pie is if your a mentally insane psycho and sociopath.
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Well, you see, that is your opinion. Other people have other opinions. In christian ethics abortion is murder and when organized at an industrial level it would classify as mass murder. Actually it was recently compared unfavorably with the Holocaust by the head of the largest Christian congregation. A guy can say his killing was justified as long as he wants. It means only, that he thinks it was justified.

I personally have no hound in this race. But I do think that it is helpful to keep the debate rational and honest. And there are acts, that groups think so atrocious that they find violence necessary as a last resort, well knowing that there will be collateral damage.
 
joG said:
1.)Well, you see, that is your opinion. Other people have other opinions.
2.) In christian ethics abortion is murder and when organized at an industrial level it would classify as mass murder.
3.) Actually it was recently compared unfavorably with the Holocaust by the head of the largest Christian congregation.
4.) A guy can say his killing was justified as long as he wants. It means only, that he thinks it was justified.
5.)I personally have no hound in this race. But I do think that it is helpful to keep the debate rational and honest.
6.) And there are acts, that groups think so atrocious that they find violence necessary as a last resort, well knowing that there will be collateral damage.
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1.)no, its not an opinion. Its a fact that bombing and abortion clinic is terrorism.
2.) no its not, im christian and its not "murder" nor is there any facts to classify it as murder. Sorry religion doesn't give one the excuse to make up any facts they want to go against society. Should people start killing fortune tellers? or their kids when they back talk and scorn their parents? hey its in the bible.

sorry those types of "opinions" are not facts
3.) and this is exactly they type of hyperbolic nonsensical mentally unstable rantings im talking about. There are FACTS then there are things made up
4.) this is true HE can say it, but FACTS prove otherwise. Thats my whole point.
5.) well the only way to keep it honest and rational is to understand facts trump what their feelings and opinions are. Ranking them equal would be the irrational and dishonest part.
6.) and those people are sociopaths and psychopaths in this case. I agree with you they think they are not but facts disagree.
 
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