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Thread: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    No, it really isn't.

    That's "pro-life" (anti-abortion) with exceptions... but not even that, those are exceptions that virtually everyone agrees with, far moreso even than people agree with a rape exception.
    There you have Minnie, you are now claiming JayDubya is pro-choice. Something I'm sure you never even considered uttering, even in jest, prior to today ....

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The UMC does not support illegal abortions but in such cases ...



    they went on to affirm they did not support late term D & E :


    Abortion
    If I write "i support the legalization of Marijuana. But I am unequivocally against cocaine and heroin" I am clearly contrasting the later with my support of the former (hence, I do not support it's legalization ....


    The UMC does not support illegal abortions but in such cases ...
    my, cod, these mental gymnastics
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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    If I write "i support the legalization of Marijuana. But I am unequivocally against cocaine and heroin" I am clearly contrasting the later with my support of the former (hence, I do not support it's legalization ....




    my, cod, these mental gymnastics
    Just telling it like it is.
    That is why it is important to keep abortion legal and safe for the woman while promoting contraceptive birth control to help make legal abortions rare.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Just telling it like it is.
    That is why it is important to keep abortion legal and safe for the woman while promoting contraceptive birth control to help make legal abortions rare.
    Huh?

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Huh?

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    You have trouble with reading and comprehending the American English language.
    This is not the first time you did not understand what is written.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    You have trouble with reading and comprehending the American English language.
    This is not the first time you did not understand what is written.
    This is not the first time what you have said did not make sense, neither standalone on its own merit, nor as a salient response to what you were quoting.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The members know they are a part of the RCRC.

    Here are some Q & A about the RCRC from

    UMW-Resource - United Methodist Women and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
    I don't know how this is hard for you to grasp. UMW =/= UMC Notice how the last letter in the acronyms is different?

    Nor does anything you posted in that question-answer dispute anything we have pointed out to you. You are attempting to expand the definition of pro-choice to include large segments of the pro-life movement in order to claim their membership for credibility purposes.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The UMC does not support illegal abortions but in such cases ...

    they went on to affirm they did not support late term D & E :

    Abortion
    Exactly. In cases such as life-of-the-mother or fetal-deformity-incompatible-with-life, they support the option of abortion, and want to make sure that it is done by properly qualified doctors. That is precisely my stance, and JayDubya's as well - your attempt to lump them under "pro-choice" is to define pro-choice so broadly that it ceases to have any meaning at all.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Exactly. In cases such as life-of-the-mother or fetal-deformity-incompatible-with-life, they support the option of abortion, and want to make sure that it is done by properly qualified doctors. That is precisely my stance, and JayDubya's as well - your attempt to lump them under "pro-choice" is to define pro-choice so broadly that it ceases to have any meaning at all.
    IOW, you believe that "pro-life" means "murder is OK is some circumstances"
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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    From the United Methodist Reporter :


    Case ‘is’ a horror, but no reason to leave RCRC

    May 6, 2013
    By Steve Copley, Special Contributor…

    The Kermit Gosnell case is as horrible as you think it is. And it illustrates precisely why it should not be used to argue for further restriction of access.

    Women living in poverty in Philadelphia felt that Gosnell was their only option when they needed an abortion, in part because of the current restrictions on Medicaid funding and the dearth of accessible and affordable abortion providers.

    Using Gosnell as an excuse to further restrict abortion care just creates more unprincipled, back alley charlatans like him who are willing to take advantage of women in desperate circumstances. Gosnell’s case does not show a slippery slope to infanticide; rather, it is a window into a not-too-distant past where women were permanently injured or—too often—died from illegal abortions.


    As a pastor in the South Central Jurisdiction,

    I’m glad our denomination is involved in the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice because the mission and work of RCRC so clearly fits United Methodists’ position on women’s health, and specifically abortion care, as outlined in the Book of Discipline.

    Like many of you, I believe that abortion should be legal, safe and rare.


    One way to accomplish the “rare” part of that belief is comprehensive sexual education. The Book of Discipline says “(T)he Church should support the family in providing age-appropriate education regarding sexuality to children, youth and adults.” (161.F) RCRC has done faithful work around sex-ed that is both age and denominationally appropriate so that young women and men aren’t faced with having to make a decision about abortion in the first place.

    I know of no other organization inside or outside the denomination that helps us meet that mandate.


    The Book of Discipline makes several references to concepts such as self-determination, informed Christian conscience, and thoughtful and prayerful consideration regarding abortion. Those actions are difficult to effect without access to a full range of reproductive health care services. As a coalition, RCRC believes that access to reproductive health care services should be readily available to all people so that we can all experience God’s good gift of sexuality with joy and responsibility, health and wholeness.

    One passage from the Book of Discipline that is particularly meaningful to me as someone who pastors those living in poverty is also in the section on abortion: “We call all Christians to a searching and prayerful inquiry into the sorts of conditions that may cause them to consider abortion. The Church shall offer ministries to reduce unintended pregnancies. We commit our Church to continue to provide nurturing ministries to those who terminate a pregnancy, to those in the midst of a crisis pregnancy, and to those who give birth.” (161.J) For decades, RCRC has been conducting trainings for clergy in helping women deal with these difficult decisions, as well as in times of reproductive loss.

    Being “reluctant to approve abortion,” as our Book of Discipline says, is an indication of the careful thought that a woman undertakes when considering the ending of a pregnancy. But we agree that “. . . we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother and the unborn child. We recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures.” (161.J) Indeed, this particular passage models the behavior of recognizing the gravity of the situation, and then thoughtfully and prayerfully proceeding in partnership with loved ones, clergy and medical professionals.

    It’s important to note here that Gosnell’s actions were not proper and accepted medical procedures, and he in fact is not certified as an OB/GYN.

    As United Methodists, we are not called to the easy answers, but rather called to bring our prayers, presence, gifts, service and witness to our Church specifically, and by extension, to God’s vast and complex world.

    The reasons a woman would choose an abortion are rarely simple or easy, and are made in an environment colored by many factors, including poverty, race, education and class, as well as access to reproductive health care. RCRC’s recent expansion into a frame of reproductive justice

    includes not only the moral agency of people to make their own decisions about their reproductive lives, but also now a commitment to change the environment in which people make those very decisions.


    Given the UMC’s long history of social justice and working to help people at the margins, this is a good fit for us—and a good fit to bring our unique voice as a member of the coalition that makes up RCRC.


    We’re also called to witness to Christ’s love. We live the gospel best when we do so with action—action that creates an environment where people are able to exercise their conscience with as few barriers as possible.

    The Rev. Copley is an ordained elder in the Arkansas Conference, and serves as executive director of the Arkansas Interfaith Conference. scopley438
    Case ‘is’ a horror, but no reason to leave RCRC - The United Methodist Reporter
    Last edited by minnie616; 09-27-13 at 12:26 AM.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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