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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well, you see, that is your opinion. Other people have other opinions. In christian ethics abortion is murder...
    It is important to know and to understand that there millions upon millions of Christian who are pro choice and feel that women should have reproductive choices including the choice of an abortion.

    I am a pro choice Christian and the Church I am a member of is also pro choice.
    My church is a member of the The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC)

    The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC) is the national community of religious and spiritual people, denominations, and organizations from all faith traditions dedicated to achieving reproductive justice. For people of faith, reproductive justice is a moral imperative, grounded in centuries of sacred texts.

    Through education, mobilization and advocacy, we are leading the religious movement to advance the health and well-being of women and families.

    RCRC mobilizes the moral force of thousands of clergy, religious leaders, and other people of faith. Together, we work for ethical and responsible policies, laws and resources that make reproductive health care and rights accessible to all. Our religious traditions call us to this sacred work.

    As people of faith, we are committed to ensuring that all people and communities can express the blessings of sexuality with health and wholeness.
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    [B]History]/B]

    RCRC was founded in 1973 to safeguard the newly won constitutional right to privacy in decisions about abortion. The Coalition founders were clergy and lay leaders from mainstream religions,
    many of whom had provided women with referrals to safe abortion services before the Supreme Court legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade.

    The founders believed that there would be at most a ten-year struggle to secure the right to choose. In fact the struggle is far from over. It has changed and intensified, and the stakes are growing.

    Today, the Religious Coalition comprises national organizations from major faiths and traditions and religiously affiliated and independent religious organizations, affiliates throughout the country, the national Clergy for Choice network, Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom, The National Black Church Initiative, La Iniciativa Latina and individuals who support reproductive choice and religious freedom. We have a strong presence on Capitol Hill, working for policies to ensure reproductive healthservices are available to all, regardless of income and to strengthen reproductive justice.

    While our member organizations are religiously and theologically diverse, they are unified in the commitment to preserve reproductive choice as a basic part of religious liberty.

    Our rational, healing perspective looks beyond the bitter abortion debate to seek solutions to pressing problems such as unintended pregnancy, the spread of HIV/AIDS, inadequate health care and health insurance, and the severe reduction in reproductive health care services. We support access to sex education, family planning and contraception, affordable child care and health care, and adoption services as well as safe, legal, abortion services, regardless of income.

    As an organization committed to reproductive justice, we work for public policies that ensure the medical, economic, and educational resources necessary for healthy families and communities that are equipped to nurture children in peace and love.
    RCRC - Dedicated to Reproductive Justice

    Here is a list of some of the Pro choice chuches and groups:

    Pro-choice groups:


    Liberal and some mainline denominations: In general, these either promote a woman's right to choose an abortion, or are relatively silent on the matter. A number of liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish faith groups and organizations have publicly stated that abortions are sometimes an acceptable option, and should remain legal. According to lists prepared by The Secular Web and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, they include, in alphabetic order: 1

    American Baptist Churches-USA (see below),
    American Ethical Union,
    American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee,
    American Jewish Committee,
    American Jewish Congress,
    Central Conference of American Rabbis,
    Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),
    Council of Jewish Federations,
    Episcopal Church (USA),
    Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot,
    Moravian Church in America-Northern Province,
    Na'Amat USA,
    National Council of Jewish Women,
    Presbyterian Church (USA),
    Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice,
    Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
    Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
    Unitarian Universalist Association,
    United Church of Christ,
    United Methodist Church,
    United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism.

    Religious groups other than denominations:

    Catholics for Free Choice,
    Episcopal Women's Caucus,
    Evangelicals for Choice,
    Jewish Women International,
    Lutheran Women's Caucus,
    North American Federation of Temple Youth,
    Unitarian Universalist Women's Federation,
    Women of Reform Judaism,
    Women's American ORT,
    Women's Caucus Church of the Brethren,
    Women's League for Conservative Judaism
    Current abortion beliefs of religious groups
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It is important to know and to understand that there millions upon millions of Christian who are pro choice and feel that women should have reproductive choices including the choice of an abortion.

    I am a pro choice Christian and the Church I am a member of is also pro choice.
    My church is a member of the The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC)

    RCRC - Dedicated to Reproductive Justice

    Here is a list of some of the Pro choice chuches and groups:
    Current abortion beliefs of religious groups
    Well I only know off the top of my head of the position of the United Methodists because they were my home church, but their presence on their list is.... perhaps disingenuous. The UMC position is that abortion is allowable in the case of severe fetal deformities incompatible with life or threat to the life of the mother, not as a form of birth control.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well I only know off the top of my head of the position of the United Methodists because they were my home church, but their presence on their list is.... perhaps disingenuous. The UMC position is that abortion is allowable in the case of severe fetal deformities incompatible with life or threat to the life of the mother, not as a form of birth control.
    The RCRC supports reproductive choices for women.

    United Methodist was one the founders of RCRC back in 1973.
    In August of 2012 the United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body and the General Board of Church and Society jointly filed a brief in support of general church agencies’ continued work with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.

    ...

    United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body and the General Board of Church and Society jointly filed a brief with the Judicial Council of The United Methodist Church Aug. 24 in support of general church agencies’ continued work with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.
    The brief was filed in response to a North Alabama Conference action questioning whether church agencies’ work with the organization was aligned with the denomination’s position on abortion.

    The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice policy statement, which the brief cites, does not conflict with United Methodist Church policy. RCRC’s policy states:



    “As people of faith, we have a responsibility to ensure that the dignity of women and their decisions regarding childbearing are respected. We hold human life to be sacred - and that includes the life of the woman as well as the potential child. It is because of this belief that many religious communities work for a world in which every child is wanted, loved and cared for and support birth control, family planning, safe and legal abortion, and health care for all.



    “To be clear: we are pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Being pro-choice means we honor all choices. It means we trust women and their families to decide whether and when to have children.”


    RCRC acknowledges that each denomination and faith group represented in its membership approaches the abortion issue from its own theology.
    Read more:

    UMW-Press Release - United Methodist Women National Policymaking Body Files Joint Brief on Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

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    The Biblical Basis for
    Being Pro-Choice


    The Bible never mentions abortion, but it does offer support for choice.


    but being pro-choice is firmly grounded in the Bible.

    Who is pro-choice and religious? Denominations with official and long-standing pro-choice positions include the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, the United Church of Christ, the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations, and Reform and Conservative Judaism.

    These organizations have a diversity of views about abortion and recognize it as a morally complex decision that must be made by the person most affected--the woman.

    Among religious groups, the pro-choice position is nuanced, recognizing that most people believe abortion--as well as bearing children-are matters for individual conscience, not government or religious mandate.

    Pro-choice denominations don't seek to impose their views on others or to make them law. They recognize that in our pluralistic society, politicians must not be allowed to impose laws about childbearing based on any particular belief about when life begins.

    The notion that life begins at the moment of conception is a belief held by some, but not all, religious groups.

    In fact, the Bible never mentions abortion and does not deal with the question of when life begins.

    Genesis 2:7 (God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living being") refers to the specific, unique event of the creation of Adam out of the earth. It says nothing about the process of conception, pregnancy, and birth.

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    The sanctity of life.


    religions revere life. It is because we believe in the sanctity of all human life that we are sensitive to the effects of an unwanted pregnancy on women and families. We pray for a world in which every child is wanted, loved, and cared for. Because we believe in the sanctity of human life that we believe a child has the right to enter the world wanted and loved. Because we believe in the sanctity of human life we are sensitive to the effects of an unwanted pregnancy upon individual women, upon their loved ones and their families, and we recognize that they, not we, must determine what is best for those directly concerned and involved.



    Respect.
    Bible places full responsibility for procreation in the hands of parents. Requiring a woman to complete a pregnancy against her will devalues motherhood and shows lack of respect for women.



    Religious Liberty.
    Religious Americans honor the dignity and value of all human life but recognize that different religious traditions hold a variety of views regarding when life begins and when ensoulment occurs. In this nation all are free to live according to their consciences and religious beliefs.

    No one religious philosophy should govern the law for all Americans.




    In conclusion, being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion. Bishop Melvin Talbert of the United Methodist Church put it this way in a 1996 sermon:

    "In reality, there are many of us who believe that choice is the most logical and the most responsible position any religious institution can take on this issue. My sisters and brothers, we are dealing with something that is deeply spiritual and cannot be left to those who would choose to politicize this issue and further victimize those who must ultimately decide for themselves."
    read more:

    The Biblical Basis for Being Pro-Choice: Bible, abortion, Christians, religion - Beliefnet.com
    Last edited by minnie616; 09-26-13 at 11:20 AM. Reason: spacing
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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It is important to know and to understand that there millions upon millions of Christian who are pro choice and feel that women should have reproductive choices including the choice of an abortion.

    I am a pro choice Christian and the Church I am a member of is also pro choice.
    My church is a member of the The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC)


    RCRC - Dedicated to Reproductive Justice

    Here is a list of some of the Pro choice chuches and groups:


    Current abortion beliefs of religious groups
    Take a look at the numbers, when you compare the congregations.

    Also. Just because people think something is not murder, because there seems a good reason to do it, does not mean it is not murder. Lots of people find this out, when the system in which they lived ant committed the acts go under. This has happened to many Millions of people in the past few decades many of whom have gone to jail or been executed. So if you are contra-life, you should realize that there are a number of Billions of people that think this is really bad stuff. It may seem improbable at this time, but this type of bad stuff has been known to be punished later.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The RCRC supports reproductive choices for women.

    United Methodist was one the founders of RCRC back in 1973.
    In August of 2012 the United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body and the General Board of Church and Society jointly filed a brief in support of general church agencies’ continued work with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.
    You're equivocating here in a rather blatantly dishonest manner.

    UMC=/=United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body

    Hence, why there exists a body called "United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body" distinct from the "United methodist Church"

    The UMC, on their website, are rather clear on their position concerning abortion

    <<<The beginning of life and the ending of life are the God-given boundaries of human existence. While individuals have always had some degree of control over when they would die, they now have the awesome power to determine when and even whether new individuals will be born.
    Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion. But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy. In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures. We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control, and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection.>>>


    Abortion

    Not sure what the article from "beliefnet" is suppose to address, but clearly the UMC adopts a different interpretation of the bible on the issue of abortion. And clearly it's not what many would describe as "pro-choice"

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    The RCRC was founded in 1973 by the United Methodist clergy and lay leaders.

    The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice:
    35 Years of Partnership with The United Methodist Church

    United Methodists Take Bold Actions, in Concert with RCRC

    For more than 35 years, The United Methodist Church has provided moral leadership in the area of reproductive healthcare and worked in partnership with the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC) to achieve our shared values. United Methodists have affirmed with compassion that women and men are moral decision-makers and taken bold actions to protect reproductive health services and options that are central to the lives of women, men and families:

    • United Methodist clergy and laypersons who had witnessed the suffering and death of countless women from illegal abortion procedures believed that - as people of faith - they had a moral responsibility to ensure that women had access to safe, legal reproductive healthcare.
    In 1973, they founded the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, which has grown into a multicultural organization addressing health, poverty alleviation and social justice issues.


    • Deeply concerned that more than 500,000 women in the world’s poorest countries die each year from pregnancy-related causes - most of which are preventable - the General Board of Church and Society and Women’s Division have worked with RCRC to increase religious support for family planning, safe motherhood, and community development programs.

    • Alarmed by the impact of unintended pregnancies, teen births, HIV/ AIDS and other sexually transmitted infections on women and families, the General Board of Church and Society and Women’s Division - in accordance with the denomination's Social Principles and Book of Resolutions - advocate in Congress and state legislatures for prevention programs such as comprehensive sexuality education and family planning. Representatives of the GBCS and Women's Division work with other denominations in the RCRC coalition for these programs.

    • As threats to democratic values deepen, United Methodists have worked closely with RCRC and its member groups to foster respect for diverse religious views on complex reproductive issues.

    While RCRC member groups have diverse views on the issue of abortion, grounded in their religious traditions, they work together to ensure that individuals will be able to follow their own conscience and beliefs.
    RCRC and UMC: 35 Years of Partnership
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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You're equivocating here in a rather blatantly dishonest manner.

    UMC=/=United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body

    Hence, why there exists a body called "United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body" distinct from the "United methodist Church"
    perhaps you missed ...and the General Board of Church and Society jointly filed in the article I posted.
    Last edited by minnie616; 09-26-13 at 12:40 PM.
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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Take a look at the numbers, when you compare the congregations....
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    Numbers?
    Over 30 denominations and groups.
    Over 20 million members.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: A Planned Parenthood Clinic In Wisconsin Was BOMBED Last Night

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    perhaps you missed ...and the General Board of Church and Society jointly filed in the article I posted.
    general board of church and sociaety=/=UMC. It's an organization *within* the UMC and does not speak for the UMC as a whole
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