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‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

um.......talk about hypocrisy.

got an actual opinion regarding the OP?

lol I noticed you're not denying it...good. But accusing someone else of doing something that is the centerpiece of your reputation on this site is the real bull****.
 
lol I noticed you're not denying it...good. But accusing someone else of doing something that is the centerpiece of your reputation on this site is the real bull****.

what has my supposed reputation got to do with this thread?

are u going to respond to the thread, or just try to bait me?
 
Amonia is a waste product produced by our bodies, it is a cleaning product
So is water (though that dihydrogen-oxide is dangerous stuff - it kills thousands of people every year).

Again, while you claim your only interest is accurate labelling, you continue to try to discredit the product but your attack seems to remain based exclusively on the ick factor and scientific ignorance.

it is not food
What definition of food are you basing this statement on?

furthermore, I think we all could eat better, stuffing our fat faces with tv dinners and BBQ pringles, does no one any good.
Too true, but that is a completely separate debate, unless you're finally going to present the first piece of evidence regarding the nutritional quality of "pink slime".
 
So is water (though that dihydrogen-oxide is dangerous stuff - it kills thousands of people every year).

Again, while you claim your only interest is accurate labelling, you continue to try to discredit the product but your attack seems to remain based exclusively on the ick factor and scientific ignorance.


it's ****, but if you want to eat dog food, have at it man. Just make sure it gets labled so I don't have to eat it.


You should see me bag on fast food joints, this is light!



What definition of food are you basing this statement on?

i dont consider what most people eat these days as "food". Then again, i stay out of the middle of a grocery store, don't eat things out of boxes or anything that has an infredient listedy grandmother wouldn't understand.

Bu hey, if you are happy with esting that crap, more power too you, again just don't try to sneak it into my food.




Too true, but that is a completely separate debate, unless you're finally going to present the first piece of evidence regarding the nutritional quality of "pink slime".

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/03/27/pink-slime-deconstructed/



Note the gentleman is a supporter of the crap, however even he admits that it is not only less nutritious than ground beef, but also jello:

" And to the schools and parents, well-documented and tested LFTB doesn’t seem to be much more harmful, albeit less nutritious, than the Jell-O we already serve at dessert."


Note in gello by law they have to list "gelatin".


Again, if you want to eat this dog food, god bless you, but putting this highy process crap as filler into ground beef and not listing it is tatamount to fraud.


On another note, if you read the article it talks of another product that uses citric acid, the reason its not as popular is that citric acid is considered a food product and would have to be listed.
 
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considering it is on the GRAS list and raises pH, it probably inhibits microbial growth. considering this, it probably made the final product more safe.

once again, none of this would be necessary if we just irradiated the meat. that is the best safety solution.
 
it's ****, but if you want to eat dog food, have at it man.
This has nothing to do with what I choose to eat, it's about you're continued wilfully dishonest arguments - calling it dog meat being yet another example.

i dont consider what most people eat these days as "food".
In which case you're simply factually wrong. You can make a rational argument or you can have an irrational rant. You appear to be choosing the latter.

again just don't try to sneak it into my food.
I'm not. Stop lying.

Note the gentleman is a supporter of the crap, however even he admits that it is not only less nutritious than ground beef, but also jello:
I'd actually challenge the comparisons with Jell-O but it's good to have some actual rational information in-between the rants. Do you think "less nutritious" justifies such hatred.

Again, if you want to eat this dog food, god bless you, but putting this highy process crap as filler into ground beef and not listing it is tatamount to fraud.
No more than calling it "dog food" and "crap". And I'm still not objecting to the call for better labelling.

On another note, if you read the article it talks of another product that uses citric acid, the reason its not as popular is that citric acid is considered a food product and would have to be listed.
I don't think so. As per your own link, the reason the ammonia doesn't need to be listed is because it is considered processing rather than an ingredient. If similar processing was carried out using any other kind of substance, I don't see why that would need to be listed either.

Incidentally, citric acid can also be in human waste and is used as a cleaning product. So many scary chemicals to panic about eh?
 
This has nothing to do with what I choose to eat, it's about you're continued wilfully dishonest arguments - calling it dog meat being yet another example.

How about you do some research on the origins of pink slime, it was first used as a way to treat dog food. but you ramble on all hysterical like trying to justify your lust to eat dog food. :shrug:


In which case you're simply factually wrong. You can make a rational argument or you can have an irrational rant. You appear to be choosing the latter.


I love it when a poster starts losing composure..... To me real food is that which I pick, grow, kill. not real food is fake stuff added to what I can grow, pick or kill, so they can extend the shelf life or cut it to get more profit. Again, you are free to eat that stuff, I simply refuse to call it food....

I find it sad in todays world, that someone would call me "irrational" for only eating real food.... Sad I says!


I'm not. Stop lying.

I guess you don't know the difference between adressing aposter and the use of a "general" "you"... you were not the you I was talking about, but the general you of the peoples who are the you's who use pink slime and fight to not have that fact listed.


But when enraged with emotion, I can see how you got that confused.



I'd actually challenge the comparisons with Jell-O but it's good to have some actual rational information in-between the rants. Do you think "less nutritious" justifies such hatred.

No, it justifies my hatred as a proccessed product being added to "ground beef" and being sold to me as "ground beef" making no mention of filler. It's cute how up in arms you are over pink slime, what is your job on the line? :lol:



No more than calling it "dog food" and "crap". And I'm still not objecting to the call for better labelling.


You should see what I call all fast food.... I believe I've use terms like "poison" etc.... it is crap, and it's origin is in the pet food industry.

I don't think so. As per your own link, the reason the ammonia doesn't need to be listed is because it is considered processing rather than an ingredient. If similar processing was carried out using any other kind of substance, I don't see why that would need to be listed either.

If you calm down, maybe later I will link you to some products that use the citric acid based beef, and yes it's labled, hint: you can "snap into" one....


Incidentally, citric acid can also be in human waste and is used as a cleaning product. So many scary chemicals to panic about eh?


yes, And I can use a lemon to get the smell of crab off my hands down in maryland.... your hysterical nit picking aside, if I handed you a shot of citric acid, and a shot of amonia, put my .45 kimber to your head and said "ditti mao!" or "drink one"..... which would you choose?
 
How about you do some research on the origins of pink slime, it was first used as a way to treat dog food. but you ramble on all hysterical like trying to justify your lust to eat dog food. :shrug:
I've read the background. The fact is that the products you're now objecting to is not being sold as dog food - it's perfectly legitimate for human consumption. You calling it dog food is a deliberate lie to make is sound less appetising and less safe that it actually is. I'm not ignorant or emotional enough to fall for that rubbish so, in conversation with me at least, you might as well stop wasting your time.

I love it when a poster starts losing composure.....
When you find one, you can talk to them then. For now you're stuck with me.

I find it sad in todays world, that someone would call me "irrational" for only eating real food.... Sad I says!
I didn't call you irrational. I said that you've failed to make a rational argument for your distinction of what is "real" food.

I guess you don't know the difference between adressing aposter and the use of a "general" "you"...
You're in discussion with me though and I've repeatedly stated that I'm in favour of better labelling. This isn't a relevant aspect to our discussion (maybe you're too "enraged with emotion" to keep track ;) ).

No, it justifies my hatred as a proccessed product being added to "ground beef" and being sold to me as "ground beef" making no mention of filler.
That clearly isn't all you hate. You appear to hate the existence of the product at all. I can understand not wanting to eat it on the ick factor alone and I can understand wanting to be able to choose fresh, unprocessed food (at least as an option) but I can't see the rational in condemning it as "dog food", "crap" and "not food" without any form of structured technical backing.

if I handed you a shot of citric acid, and a shot of amonia, put my .45 kimber to your head and said "ditti mao!" or "drink one"..... which would you choose?
Depending on the concentration and form, probably the acid but that's completely irrelevant to the processes we're talking about.
 
I've read the background. The fact is that the products you're now objecting to is not being sold as dog food - it's perfectly legitimate for human consumption. You calling it dog food is a deliberate lie to make is sound less appetising and less safe that it actually is. I'm not ignorant or emotional enough to fall for that rubbish so, in conversation with me at least, you might as well stop wasting your time.


who's lying now? If you "read the background" as you claim you would see it was first used in dog food. The company in question found a way to make it accetable for human consumption.

Safe? Well that's all relative isn't it? Given that we see reports each and every day on this or that proccessed food additive leading to myriad of health problems. "safe" isn't a word I would use....


acceptable? Sure, safe in moderation, maybe, but i'll leave the poison to your ilk, if I can't kill it, grow it, gather it. Or make it from what I grow kill or gather, i don't eat it.




When you find one, you can talk to them then. For now you're stuck with me.

read up chumley, who decided to make it personal an emotional? That was you chief. (you, "you)

I said you can eat all the dog food you want. I simply do not care. (that's a you, "you")


Just don't add this fake procceced crap to my meat and pretend you are selling me ground chuck. You're not, your sellin me a meat filled with amoniad beef by products.

(that's a general "you", in case you get your irish up)


I didn't call you irrational. I said that you've failed to make a rational argument for your distinction of what is "real" food.

you: "food is anything the fda says it is, process the hell out of it, inject it with chemicles, its food"

The Good Reverend: "food is what one can grow, kill, and gather, and what you can make with these things, i don't consider artifical products and over procced garbage "food"".

You; "yer irrational"....


Uhm ok. :roll:


You're in discussion with me though and I've repeatedly stated that I'm in favour of better labelling. This isn't a relevant aspect to our discussion (maybe you're too "enraged with emotion" to keep track ;) ).


you don't know me very well, I can assure you good sir, The Good Reverend is rarely "enraged"....

I am glad however, that you support labeling the dog food you eat, when the try to hide it in my ground beef. :thumbs:

That clearly isn't all you hate. You appear to hate the existence of the product at all. I can understand not wanting to eat it on the ick factor alone and I can understand wanting to be able to choose fresh, unprocessed food (at least as an option) but I can't see the rational in condemning it as "dog food", "crap" and "not food" without any form of structured technical backing.


how many times do I have to say that you can eat all the dog food you want before you get that while hating a product, i fully support its existance and your right to shove it down your gullet.

What I don't support is deceptive business practices trying to hide it from people who eat better than you (that was a you, you;) )


Depending on the concentration and form, probably the acid but that's completely irrelevant to the processes we're talking about.

not really, how much bleach do you like in your food?
 
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research shows that ALL red meat is bad for you, thereby making this whole thread look kinda silly.
 
research shows that ALL red meat is bad for you, thereby making this whole thread look kinda silly.



Actually it is not, it is how you eat red meat and what you eat it with. but thanks for your contribution.
 
My stance, pretty much from the beginning...

- I have never once thought this stuff would necessarily harm anyone.

- Having said that, it is not something that I want in my food, and I feel intentionally deceived.

- I am fine with it continuing to be in ground beef, but... feel that it should be required to be listed on the label. There was a bitchy lady from one of the plants that makes it on the local news a few days ago, and she said, "It's beef, What do you want me to put on the label?". Ok, yes, technically it is beef, but, it's also been put through a unique process. Plus, you're industry has also given it a specific name... "lean finely textured beef"... use that. If it needs a separate name, it should be listed separately. Period.
 
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who's lying now? If you "read the background" as you claim you would see it was first used in dog food. The company in question found a way to make it accetable for human consumption.
It was used as dog food but then prime stake has been used as dog food too. That doesn't make it legitimate to call it all dog food any more than it would be legitimate to say the same of all prime stake.

Safe? Well that's all relative isn't it?
Yes, safe relative to all our other food products, including the "real" food you prefer.

Sure, safe in moderation, maybe, but i'll leave the poison to your ilk
You see, this is where I have a problem with your rhetoric. You can't agree that it is relatively safe and then go on to call it "poison". It's bordering on the libellous.

I said you can eat all the dog food you want. I simply do not care. (that's a you, "you")
I don't care about the "pink slime" either, I care about honest debate, misleading rhetoric and outright lies.

you: "food is anything the fda says it is, process the hell out of it, inject it with chemicles, its food"
Speaking of outright lies... I never gave a definition of food so you've just made this up and put it in my mouth (a little ironic :) ).

Food is anything animals consume and digest to create chemical energy. There is a vast range of things that are food but I have absolutely zero desire or physical ability to eat but my personal tastes and metabolism doesn't alter the definition of the word.

We can choose to define subsets or "good", "bad", "healthy" or "unhealthy" food, as many people have, but it’s all within the wider definition of food.

You; "yer irrational"....
Yet another lie. I explicitly said I wasn't calling you irrational, only that you'd yet to make a rational argument on a specific point.

I am glad however, that you support labelling the dog food you eat, when the try to hide it in my ground beef. :thumbs:
Good. We're not discussing what I eat or even what you eat though. We're discussing what you're posting.

not really, how much bleach do you like in your food?
None. Ammonia isn't a bleach. There are plenty of scary sounding or even actually dangerous substances in all sorts of foods, including natural ones. They are just in minimal amounts or in forms that do not pose a risk. Alcohol is an obvious example.
 
It was used as dog food but then prime stake has been used as dog food too. That doesn't make it legitimate to call it all dog food any more than it would be legitimate to say the same of all prime stake.

Link to your claim that prime "stake" [sic] has been used in commercial dog food. fact is this products origional use was in the pet food industry, why you deny this is beyond me. It's dog food. Enjoy.,


Yes, safe relative to all our other food products, including the "real" food you prefer.


Bull****, we hear reports of finding out that the proccessed foods you shove down your gullet leads to x,y,z... people who eat a natural diet, tend not to have these issues.


You see, this is where I have a problem with your rhetoric. You can't agree that it is relatively safe and then go on to call it "poison". It's bordering on the libellous.


I think most processed food you eat is poison.....


Food can be a great medicine, or a slow poison. choose wisely.

I don't care about the "pink slime" either, I care about honest debate, misleading rhetoric and outright lies.

ironic.....



Speaking of outright lies... I never gave a definition of food so you've just made this up and put it in my mouth (a little ironic :) ).


oh so now you are suggesting that pink slime is not food? I agree.


Food is anything animals consume and digest to create chemical energy. There is a vast range of things that are food but I have absolutely zero desire or physical ability to eat but my personal tastes and metabolism doesn't alter the definition of the word.


Food can either be the best medicine or a slow poison, choose wisely, I don't consider the poison you consume, "food".



We can choose to define subsets or "good", "bad", "healthy" or "unhealthy" food, as many people have, but it’s all within the wider definition of food.

You can once again, eat all the dog food you want, I don't care. but if someone asks me, I am more than happy to tell them as I you, that I do not consider it food, well, maybe dog food.


Yet another lie. I explicitly said I wasn't calling you irrational, only that you'd yet to make a rational argument on a specific point.


hysterics......



Good. We're not discussing what I eat or even what you eat though. We're discussing what you're posting.


yes, we are discussing dog food sold fraudulently to consumers, that you get overly emotional in defending. :thumbs:


None. Ammonia isn't a bleach. There are plenty of scary sounding or even actually dangerous substances in all sorts of foods, including natural ones. They are just in minimal amounts or in forms that do not pose a risk. Alcohol is an obvious example.

Tyson, perdue, bleach your chicken. as do many of the big food brands..... :prof


I'll stick to goffle poultry farm, or murrays, or bell and evans, they seem to be able to get me unbleached chicken.... Again, you can put small amounts of poison in your body all you want, I care not. I want to know which "foods" have these things so I can make the educated and more sound choice for me and my family.
 
you know that's a lie.

red meat is bad for your regardless of how you eat it.



Ok man, The Good Reverend is slim, fit and rich, at 39, has no issue eating a 2lb prime ny strip in a sitting, and has very very low cholesterol levels..... You who doesn't eat right, shouldn't be lecturing others on what is healthy and what is not. How about another tv dinner? :lol:
 
Link to your claim that prime "stake" [sic] has been used in commercial dog food.
I never said commercial - my grandma bought steak to feed to her dog. That doesn't instantly make all steak dog food. Equally, though "pink slime" was originally sold as to be used in dog food, that doesn't make all "pink slime" today dog food.

fact is this products origional use was in the pet food industry, why you deny this is beyond me.
Given that there first words in my quote were "It was used as dog food..." I'm not clear what I'm meant to have been denying.

I think most processed food you eat is poison.....
This still isn't about what I eat. You know nothing about my diet.

Food can be a great medicine, or a slow poison. choose wisely.
True to an extent. "Pink slime" doesn't seem to be either though (more than any other low grade red meat at least).

oh so now you are suggesting that pink slime is not food?
How did you get that interpretation!?! I consider "pink slime" to have been food when it was being used in dog food. Whether I wish to eat it or not doesn't change that fundamental fact.

hysterics......
No, a calm and reasoned statement of fact. I am confused as to why you feel the need to lie so obviously though. Any insights?

Tyson, perdue, bleach your chicken. as do many of the big food brands..... :prof
My chicken? How are they getting over the fence?
 
I never said commercial - my grandma bought steak to feed to her dog. That doesn't instantly make all steak dog food. Equally, though "pink slime" was originally sold as to be used in dog food, that doesn't make all "pink slime" today dog food.


then your point was an incoherent irrelevant mess.

yes, pint slime, is indeed dog food, Bon apetito!


This still isn't about what I eat. You know nothing about my diet.

By your defense, I can take an educated guess. :shrug:



True to an extent. "Pink slime" doesn't seem to be either though (more than any other low grade red meat at least).


"doesn't seem".... well it's blasted with ammonia, has less nutrition than jello, The Good Reverend will hedge his bets.



How did you get that interpretation!?! I consider "pink slime" to have been food when it was being used in dog food. Whether I wish to eat it or not doesn't change that fundamental fact.


Obviously., my standard of what "food" constitutes, is far more selective and desirable than yours.


No, a calm and reasoned statement of fact. I am confused as to why you feel the need to lie so obviously though. Any insights?


u mad, bro?



My chicken? How are they getting over the fence?



shoddy work ethic? :ssst:
 
that is absolutely disgusting.

and you question MY eating habits.



Well, since I am pretty much the pinnacle of health, with all the right numbers, there really is nothing you could say that I would want to hear. :shrug:


If I ever want to know what tv dinners taste the best, or what's a good way to loaf around the house, I'll look you up. Thanks.
 
....And you can peruse the tavern picture thread where you can see the Greatness playing Ice hockey at the spectrum and whacovia centers....


I am barely inside... :shrug:

#1. I have no interest in seeing pictures of you.

#2. you post from your smart phone or iPad?
 
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