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‘Pink Slime’ Maker Cuts Back Production. Is That a Good Thing?

HonestJoe said:
Rubbish. Humans have been eating the whole animal for thousands of years - it is only very recently that money and marketing have made offal and the like unpalatable to the public eye. Properly prepared and cooked, this is no less healthy than any other meat (and probably more so than some meat products). The negativity appears to be based 100% on the visual appearance of the "pink slime".

People eat mouldy milk, bird embryos, fungus, raw fish and bloated bird livers, often treating them as delicacies, so it's hardly fair to bring our rational in to food choices.
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We are talking mass production here. Like I said, you can eat that **** all you want, I just want to know when it's being served. Using Ammonia to me seems, "not properly prepared". does it to you?


And if that was the focus of the campaign, I'd be all for it. The attacks are much more aggressive though, hence schools banning food containing the substance from their canteens and companies going out of business. It's entirely the wrong apprach to the issue.
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They fought the requirement to list the use of ammonia, they made thier own bed here. if the company wishes to survive, and I hope it does, it should do so under the requiment that people using thier product be notified.


Yes, but the key aspect of a witch hunt is that it has been predetermined there is a witch so someone is going to burn, guilty or not.
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One would think we all would want to know what exactly our food contains, no?
 
Thunder said:
yeah, all this drama does smell like a feel-good witch hunt, over a possible non-issue.
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You admittedly eat like ****, I wouldn't expect you to view ammonia in your food as an issue, go have another big mac, skip.
 
Thunder said:
what the **** are you talking about????????????????????????????
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Thunder said:
last night I had what was called a "buffalo chicken sandwhich".

it was ok, and served its purpose.
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Thunder said:
half a container of BBQ Pringles, and a tv dinner with turkey, gravy, stuffing, mashed potatoes, and green peas.

yeah, last night was one of those nights. :)
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Shall I continue? You obviously don't give a **** what you put in your gullet.





what is your problem?
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I told you, I got 99 problems but you ain't one.
 
Thunder said:
sorry, friend...but I have the right to post in any thread in this forum.

and I will do just that.
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Cool, try to show some self control and stick to the topic. I mean your on topic posts are contradictory, you post that it was a "non issue", then you posted another article contradicting your asinine claim showing it's been an issue for years.


You need to un**** your arguments.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Cool, try to show some self control and stick to the topic. I mean your on topic posts are contradictory, you post that it was a "non issue", then you posted another article contradicting your asinine claim showing it's been an issue for years....
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i posted an article from the NY Times, showing that while the FDA thinks this is less of an issue then what some scientists and critics believe.

FACT: ammonia is naturally occurring in ground beef.
 
I don't like eating out much and when I do, I try to limit what I eat. Resteraunts by themselves may not be very sanitary especially how they handle your food. What raw materials they buy --- unless I'm going to a top notch place that advertises local meats and veggies fresh (of which there are few and far between), I usually pass and don't give it another thought. I try to get fresh produce, grind my own meats, and cut my own chops (though I suck at it most times), and it's a pain in the ass. Even my most favorite thing in the world - bacon, has all sorts of **** pumped into it to flavor it.... I'm looking for a local place that cuts their own thick stuff so I can freeze it in small portions and use it as I want.
 
Ockham said:
I don't like eating out much and when I do, I try to limit what I eat. Resteraunts by themselves may not be very sanitary especially how they handle your food. What raw materials they buy --- unless I'm going to a top notch place that advertises local meats and veggies fresh (of which there are few and far between), I usually pass and don't give it another thought. I try to get fresh produce, grind my own meats, and cut my own chops (though I suck at it most times), and it's a pain in the ass. Even my most favorite thing in the world - bacon, has all sorts of **** pumped into it to flavor it.... I'm looking for a local place that cuts their own thick stuff so I can freeze it in small portions and use it as I want.
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as if a little extra NH3 in beef makes it any worse than KFC, Taco Bell, or Booger King.

I'll bet there are much worse issues than the evil pink slime.
 
Thunder said:
i posted an article from the NY Times, showing that while the FDA thinks this is less of an issue then what some scientists and critics believe.
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You should read the article again, you won't look so ignorant on the subject.

FACT: ammonia is naturally occurring in ground beef.
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Parts per ounce please.
 
Thunder said:
as if a little extra NH3 in beef makes it any worse than KFC, Taco Bell, or Booger King.

I'll bet there are much worse issues than the evil pink slime.
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I don't eat fast food at all...haven't for going on 15 years now, so I really have no comment on KFC, Taco Bell or BK. The only fast food I actually eat is Pizza from a local pizza place, and yes, I sometimes break down and get sausage or pepperoni....
 
sometimes when i eat pink slime i make brown slime

Sent from my YP-G1 using Tapatalk. My YP-G1 is a very nice device that hardly ever explodes or shoots jets of burning acid at my face. Samsung has done a good job in that respect in building it. However one has to consider hamsters in regard to android as cyborg hamsters are very cool. Imagine how fast an Android hamster could run in their exercise wheel for example.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You should read the article again, you won't look so ignorant on the subject.....
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Officials at the United States Department of Agriculture endorsed the company’s ammonia treatment, and have said it destroys E. coli “to an undetectable level.” They decided it was so effective that in 2007, when the department began routine testing of meat used in hamburger sold to the general public, they exempted Beef Products.

The Food and Drug Administration signed off on the use of ammonia, concluding it was safe when used as a processing agent in foods. This year, a top official with the U.S.D.A.’s Food Safety and Inspection Service said, “It eliminates E. coli to the same degree as if you cooked the product.”

now who looks ignorant on the subject, Reverend?

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
We are talking mass production here.
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So what? I don't see what difference volume makes to the legitimacy of the product.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Like I said, you can eat that **** all you want, I just want to know when it's being served. Using Ammonia to me seems, "not properly prepared". does it to you?
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Your second sentence seems to contradict the first. Beyond wanting knowledge, you also seem to want to discredit the process. For what it's worth, I see no specific issue with the use of ammonia in this process (or any of it's other uses in food production).

ReverendHellh0und said:
One would think we all would want to know what exactly our food contains, no?
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I never questioned that for a moment. My opinion remains that this campaign is about more than information, it's about actively encouraging or even enforcing change - not just labelling the product but removing it.
 
HonestJoe said:
...Your second sentence seems to contradict the first. Beyond wanting knowledge, you also seem to want to discredit the process. For what it's worth, I see no specific issue with the use of ammonia in this process (or any of it's other uses in food production)....
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and neither does the FDA, as per the article I posted and more recent statements by the FDA.
 
A spokesman for the USDA, which runs the school lunch program, said lean finely textured beef is still beef, though it is separated from fat through heat and centrifuge and treated with ammonium hydroxide to kill bacteria.

"Transparency is a reality of today, with more people paying close attention to what's in their food and especially (what's) being served in schools," said USDA spokesman Mike Jarvis. "We've said from the beginning: We think it's a safe product, but people have preferences and some schools didn't want it."

Social media turn up heat on food industry - chicagotribune.com
 
Thunder said:
Officials at the United States Department of Agriculture endorsed the company’s ammonia treatment, and have said it destroys E. coli “to an undetectable level.” They decided it was so effective that in 2007, when the department began routine testing of meat used in hamburger sold to the general public, they exempted Beef Products.

The Food and Drug Administration signed off on the use of ammonia, concluding it was safe when used as a processing agent in foods. This year, a top official with the U.S.D.A.’s Food Safety and Inspection Service said, “It eliminates E. coli to the same degree as if you cooked the product.”

now who looks ignorant on the subject, Reverend?

:lamo :lamo :lamo :lamo
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Keep reading. /facepalm


In July, school lunch officials temporarily banned their hamburger makers from using meat from a Beef Products facility in Kansas because of salmonella — the third suspension in three years, records show. Yet the facility remained approved by the U.S.D.A. for other customers.

Presented by The Times with the school lunch test results, top department officials said they were not aware of what their colleagues in the lunch program had been finding for years.

In response, the agriculture department said it was revoking Beef Products’ exemption from routine testing and conducting a review of the company’s operations and research. The department said it was also reversing its policy for handling Beef Products during pathogen outbreaks. Since it was seen as pathogen-free, the processed beef was excluded from recalls, even when it was an ingredient in hamburgers found to be contaminated.
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HonestJoe said:
So what? I don't see what difference volume makes to the legitimacy of the product.
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Well if you gut your food wrong you and possibly family members get sick and die. You mass produce it to 70% of the ground beef in the US, well, I think you can get the idea.

Drink all the raw milk you want. don't serve it in the federal school lunch program and don't tell anyone, that is akin to my issue.


Your second sentence seems to contradict the first. Beyond wanting knowledge, you also seem to want to discredit the process. For what it's worth, I see no specific issue with the use of ammonia in this process (or any of it's other uses in food production).
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Amonia is a waste product produced by our bodies, it is a cleaning product, it is not food, but hey if you want to eat it, enjoy it, just list it in the ingredients.


I never questioned that for a moment. My opinion remains that this campaign is about more than information, it's about actively encouraging or even enforcing change - not just labelling the product but removing it.
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Put it on the label, that's my main argument, furthermore, I think we all could eat better, stuffing our fat faces with tv dinners and BBQ pringles, does no one any good.
 
Thunder said:
the FDA consistently states that "pink slime" beef is safe for adults & kids.
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Even though they started finding salmonela and e. coli.

And so what? this stuff is ****, if you enjoy eating ****, eat all the **** you can handle. I want to know if **** is in my food so it should be listed.....
 
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