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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Ever heard of a bridge too far?
    The Affordable HealthCare Act was that bridge.

    If you check you will find that Wickard v Filburn is an outlier position for its time yet, its been used as the basis for every government over reach since then. This is even further outside the scope than that was.

    Btw, "your side does it too"? Lame. Get a real argument.
    we need to get a time machine and go back in history and hang the justices who created that abomination for crimes against humanity and the constitution

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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Weird how it only became unconstitutional when Democrats supported it.
    yeah because the GOP would never do something idiotic and unconstitutional. coughautobailoutscough.

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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    half the stuff the dems and the gop does is unconstitutional
    I don't know that I've ever thought to put a number on it, but “half” seems like a severe underestimate.
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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    benefits should play no role

    either congress has the power or it doesn't. and but for the stench of the wickard v. Filburn, we'd never be saddled with this sort of unconstitutional nonsense
    United States v. Lopez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Apparently in this case they decided that Filburn had gone was too far.
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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    United States v. Lopez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Apparently in this case they decided that Filburn had gone was too far.
    From your link:
    Lopez moved to dismiss the indictment on the ground that §922(q) of the Act was "unconstitutional as it is beyond the power of Congress to legislate control over our public schools." The trial court denied the motion, ruling that §922(q) was "a constitutional exercise of Congress' well defined power to regulate activities in and affecting commerce, and the 'business' of elementary, middle and high schools... affects interstate commerce."

    ...

    To sustain the Act, the Government was obligated[5] to show that §922(q) was a valid exercise of the Congressional Commerce Clause power, i.e. that the section regulated a matter which "affected" (or "substantially affected"[6]) interstate commerce.[7]

    The Government's principal argument was that the possession of a firearm in an educational environment would most likely lead to a violent crime, which in turn would affect the general economic condition in two ways. First, because violent crime causes harm and creates expense, it raises insurance costs, which are spread throughout the economy; and second, by limiting the willingness to travel in the area perceived to be unsafe. The Government also argued that the presence of firearms within a school would be seen as dangerous, resulting in students' being scared and disturbed; this would, in turn, inhibit learning; and this, in turn, would lead to a weaker national economy since education is clearly a crucial element of the nation's financial health.
    Oh, my God... what a stretch. Crap like that makes my head hurt.

    I swear, we have orangutans for judges.

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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Common sense should be the FIRST requirement of any supreme court justice,

    but it would appear that these folks are willing to bend and/or stretch even REALITY to suit their ideology.

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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Weird how it only became unconstitutional when Democrats supported it.
    It never went up to the supreme court, and the republican party was certaintly not unanimous. Right now, all you have is an argument from partisanship to defend this bill with. So to that, I ask, are you ****ing joking?

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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    Common sense should be the FIRST requirement of any supreme court justice,

    but it would appear that these folks are willing to bend and/or stretch even REALITY to suit their ideology.
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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Yes, strike the mandate, piss off the liberals, take back the house, keep the White House, and let's get a single payer system up in this bitch!!!


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    Re: Kennedy: Individual Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Govt

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes, strike the mandate, piss off the liberals, take back the house, keep the White House, and let's get a single payer system up in this bitch!!!


    A girl can hope at least.
    There isn't going to be any single payer system. That was killed long ago.
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