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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

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    Meet registered Democrat and self-identified Hispanic American, George Zimmerman

    Registered Dem Killed Trayvon | Washington Free Beacon
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

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    Meet registered Democrat and self-identified Hispanic American, George Zimmerman

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    The Two-Way : NPR

    As I clicked on another site noted in the article I found very, very interesting too. My first thought was where is law enforcement? Shouldn't the FBI putting cuffs on this idiot now?

    "Over the weekend, members of the New Black Panther Party showed just how tense the situation in the Trayvon Martin shooting has gotten: They offered a $10,000 bounty for the capture of George Zimmerman, who shot and killed the unarmed teenager."

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    I see the issue being danced around but not really addressed. The political identity of Zimmerman has no effect on whether he is guilty or innocent, where it does have an impact is on the narrative within the media right now. There has been a lot of talk about his state of mind, the racial overtones involved and how agressive Zimmerman was. Maybe, by changing the thought process somewhat to show that the caricature being presented doesnt really fit him, people will examine this case more intellectually and less emotionally. Yes, a young man is dead and that is emotional, but justice isnt about emotion.

    Its a cause celebre now, Zimmermans chance at a fair hearing and fair trial are quite low now. Which is terrible because every accused person deserves at least that.

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

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    well, that's just a dumb accusation.

    but funny

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

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    The Two-Way : NPR

    As I clicked on another site noted in the article I found very, very interesting too. My first thought was where is law enforcement? Shouldn't the FBI putting cuffs on this idiot now?
    He was recently arrested... athough not for the bounty he offered up on CNN:
    Bond set for New Black Panther leader in weapons case *| ajc.com

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    And then there's the CBS article/video....

    CBS ~ What happened right after Trayvon Martin's shooting?

    One thing that I have to note is that out of the 6 witnesses that they have not one of them saw what happened until after the shooting. Based on this alone there is no way to get a conviction. No DA would even attempt to bring charges with this little.

    So that leaves physical forensic evidence. From what I see about the only thing that could give even a slight chance of Zimmerman getting convicted is if they proved that Trayvon never hit Zimmerman from behind. Which might be difficult since Zimmerman does have an injury on the back of the head. But I don't think that it is impossible. Computer and forensic science has advanced enough that it can tell from which direction a blow to the body came from, how much pressure was behind the blow croming from behind vs an arm wrapped around the head and hitting from behind and from what.

    The reason that I say "from what" is because it is possible that Zimmerman got the injury to the back of the head from...say, being punched in the nose and falling backwards into the ground/sidewalk. However I don't think that this is what actually happened. Any doctor tending to that injury would have had to have dug out dirt/concrete and would have legally had to have noted it in their records for investigation records. And there is a difference between dirt/concrete being in a wound from rolling on the ground and that of being dug into the wound due to a blow. One is basically surface debris the other is dug in and "pits" (for lack of a better word). (something I learned while getting stitches once) Anyways, combine this with the fact that the DA says that there isn't enough evidence to convict and all in all it lends credence to Zimmermans account of being hit from behind. Which would bring forth an easy case for self defense.

    One other thing that I would like to address. In the CBS story they say that the lead investigator Chris Serino did indeed try to persue manslaughter charges against Zimmerman. That to me suggests that at the very least Serino was not racial profiling. It also suggests to me that Serino would not have been lax in investigating this.
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well obviously. It's been there since day 1. To pretend that it all went away because we let black people vote is simply illogical. The problem with a society that builds itself around the concept of race(like the US was) is that it ends up leaving a serious mark if race issues aren't corrected with major events. The US Independence war SHOULD have allowed for a change in racial dynamics(much in the same way it happened in the British Empire as far as slavery is concerned). However it didn't. The war of 1812, should have done the same and then again the Civil War, but none of these events seem to have brought much change at least in the attitudes of people towards race. Fast forward to the 1960s and you have a sizeable black population that is not only angry at the previous history but also at the lack of progress in the 20th century.

    Today we have the children of blacks from the 60s(myself included even though I'm have) that have to deal not only with systemic(as opposed to systematic) racism from one side and the growing threat of racism from blacks themselves. It's a fine line to walk and we're in desperate need of an actual racial debate. Not screaming and weak legislation, we're in need of a public discussion. The US has spend 200+ years avoiding it.
    Around here the debate has been concluded and history is jumping back about 7 decades. A yankee black president just declared that people of his race get to kill Southern white looking folks who are prohibited from using their firearms to defend themselves. But he is the president and the president has the power to start wars, including race wars and he just did.

    It was the couple of million yankee snowbirds and retirees with both their attitudes and money that brought change to central Florida and the panhandle. Being very pro-law and order and the houses bringing property tax money in, they created a huge Sheriff's department not entirely of Southerns and they themselves their neighborhood crime watches have plenty of time on their hands. Before that this was solidly Klan country. The multi-generational bad ole boys and even a KKK cell here didn't good away, they formed their remote enclaves - thousands of them actually with there thousands of Confederate flags they proudly fly and display. But kept in check.

    The President declared a race war and declared that white folk can't use their guns that the old yankees have come to love to defend themselves. So they just switched sides and the incumbent Sheriff knows he's toast in re-election this year. Every crime watch sign has disappeared I think in the entire county. So they are vigilantes now, disconnected with law enforcement and well aware they are to not call 911 anymore. Instead they will do things their own way with justice returning to a thing of the backwoods, swampland, marshes, shell islands and estuaries. Everyone knows how the bad ole boys in the enclaves with their thousands of Confederate flags on pickup trucks and flagpoles do things. The area is around 90% white. I suspect that percentage will increase.

    Hopefully, the few black folk on their borders will know to stay out, stay on the highways, pick new fishing grounds or just move off. But their choice and this is no problem for me or mine so no big deal. This is not our fight. It's the president's.

    If there is a problem, the President said this is a federal matter so let the feds deal with it. Life rolls on.

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    He was recently arrested... athough not for the bounty he offered up on CNN:
    Bond set for New Black Panther leader in weapons case *| ajc.com
    Thanks for the link. I haven't had time to listen or read anything except local paper today.

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    It is a tough case and there will be a lot of second guessing. One very notable flaw in the investigation was allowing Zimmerman to go without testing for drugs/alcohol. As for all the CSI type reenacting of the fight and who struck whom at what time... pure science fiction and unless the crime scene was kept 100% sterile and the computer mapped every inch of both men without any loss of debris along the way impossible to get a clear computer generated recreation that would stand up in court.

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Around here the debate has been concluded and history is jumping back about 7 decades. A yankee black president just declared that people of his race get to kill Southern white looking folks who are prohibited from using their firearms to defend themselves. But he is the president and the president has the power to start wars, including race wars and he just did.
    In the words of Excon: Hyperbole.

    It was the couple of million yankee snowbirds and retirees with both their attitudes and money that brought change to central Florida and the panhandle. Being very pro-law and order and the houses bringing property tax money in, they created a huge Sheriff's department not entirely of Southerns and they themselves their neighborhood crime watches have plenty of time on their hands. Before that this was solidly Klan country. The multi-generational bad ole boys and even a KKK cell here didn't good away, they formed their remote enclaves - thousands of them actually with there thousands of Confederate flags they proudly fly and display. But kept in check.
    So.... wha?

    The President declared a race war and declared that white folk can't use their guns that the old yankees have come to love to defend themselves. So they just switched sides and the incumbent Sheriff knows he's toast in re-election this year. Every crime watch sign has disappeared I think in the entire county. So they are vigilantes now, disconnected with law enforcement and well aware they are to not call 911 anymore. Instead they will do things their own way with justice returning to a thing of the backwoods, swampland, marshes, shell islands and estuaries. Everyone knows how the bad ole boys in the enclaves with their thousands of Confederate flags on pickup trucks and flagpoles do things. The area is around 90% white. I suspect that percentage will increase.
    Rofl.... wha?

    Hopefully, the few black folk on their borders will know to stay out, stay on the highways, pick new fishing grounds or just move off. But their choice and this is no problem for me or mine so no big deal. This is not our fight. It's the president's.

    If there is a problem, the President said this is a federal matter so let the feds deal with it. Life rolls on.
    So.... is that why you've been in such a high defence of Zimmerman? Yankee presidents, race wars etc? Your colours are starting to shine through.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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