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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's not an awful analogy at all, especially these days when so many treat their political philosophies and religions nearly identically. (Of course, that's not terribly new, either.) They absolutely do "interact" with each other in a very similar manner.

    Again, you need to get out more.


    What makes you think I was referring to, say, a Jew being attacked in his/her home and not their capacity as a Jew?

    I don't know; you seem to be stealing a lot of bases throughout this entire conversation.
    (I may have stolen some bases, but this isn't one of them)



    Yet, you got all over me for suggesting it happens, when it's not even something that's on your radar and you apparently have no basis on which to say I'm wrong.
    I didn't get all over you, I suggested that you converse with smarter people who wouldn't think such dumb things. And I immediately conceded the point that I may have exaggerated.




    Looks to me that as someone who's been posting about people overcoming their programming, you've got a considerable amount of your own to work through.
    Its fair to say I've stolen bases, but it is just too much time and effort to explain the details of my arguments. And you are probably right, I'm used to talking to people who share a similar belief system as I have, so I am used to taking some of those details for granted.

    However, the fact that I readily admit this fact is enough to assure me that I am not programed by anything but my own thought. And TRUST ME, my whole job is based around justifying, rethinking, and, as you put it, "working through" systems of thougt.

    So I'm not just playing coy when I say it would take too much time and space (and, above all, energy) to fully make my arguments.
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    I think we can all learn something through this: Anyone who tells you race is no longer an issue in America is full of ****. Racism is everywhere. Maybe not at the level it was pre-civil rights era, but it's definitely still a very present issue.
    Well obviously. It's been there since day 1. To pretend that it all went away because we let black people vote is simply illogical. The problem with a society that builds itself around the concept of race(like the US was) is that it ends up leaving a serious mark if race issues aren't corrected with major events. The US Independence war SHOULD have allowed for a change in racial dynamics(much in the same way it happened in the British Empire as far as slavery is concerned). However it didn't. The war of 1812, should have done the same and then again the Civil War, but none of these events seem to have brought much change at least in the attitudes of people towards race. Fast forward to the 1960s and you have a sizeable black population that is not only angry at the previous history but also at the lack of progress in the 20th century.

    Today we have the children of blacks from the 60s(myself included even though I'm have) that have to deal not only with systemic(as opposed to systematic) racism from one side and the growing threat of racism from blacks themselves. It's a fine line to walk and we're in desperate need of an actual racial debate. Not screaming and weak legislation, we're in need of a public discussion. The US has spend 200+ years avoiding it.
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good to know. It's an act of desperation on Joko's part. This killing wasn't even remotely political. It had nothing to do with politics. It had to do with specific circumstance. Not as if Zimmerman killed Martin because he didn't like Republicans/Democrats/Libertarians or whatever.
    You're right, Hatuey. I totally agree.

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well obviously. It's been there since day 1. To pretend that it all went away because we let black people vote is simply illogical. The problem with a society that builds itself around the concept of race(like the US was) is that it ends up leaving a serious mark if race issues aren't corrected with major events. The US Independence war SHOULD have allowed for a change in racial dynamics(much in the same way it happened in the British Empire as far as slavery is concerned). However it didn't. The war of 1812, should have done the same and then again the Civil War, but none of these events seem to have brought much change at least in the attitudes of people towards race. Fast forward to the 1960s and you have a sizeable black population that is not only angry at the previous history but also at the lack of progress in the 20th century.

    Today we have the children of blacks from the 60s(myself included even though I'm have) that have to deal not only with systemic(as opposed to systematic) racism from one side and the growing threat of racism from blacks themselves. It's a fine line to walk and we're in desperate need of an actual racial debate. Not screaming and weak legislation, we're in need of a public discussion. The US has spend 200+ years avoiding it.
    To be honest I like Morgan Freeman's idea. He was asked "How are we going to stop racism?" He replied "Stop Talking about it". I believe he has a point. Racism will only stop when we quit teaching it. By that I mean putting so much emphasis on race in general. It's one thing for a physical description. It's another when it's on applications for federal aid, scholarships, insurance, and other such things where physical appearance shouldn't really matter.
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Krasche View Post
    To be honest I like Morgan Freeman's idea. He was asked "How are we going to stop racism?" He replied "Stop Talking about it". I believe he has a point. Racism will only stop when we quit teaching it. By that I mean putting so much emphasis on race in general. It's one thing for a physical description. It's another when it's on applications for federal aid, scholarships, insurance, and other such things where physical appearance shouldn't really matter.
    I agree. People shouldn't be denied or granted help based on what they look like but actual necessity. I just don't agree that the right course of action is to simply say that we can ignore something which was an issue in this country for nearly 2 centuries. I mean think about it. Even 170 years after the Irish Potato Famine, people are still discussing the effects it had on modern Irish politics. I think a country's history is incredibly relevant to solving social issues.
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Res Cogitans View Post
    (I may have stolen some bases, but this isn't one of them)
    Sure it is. If not, then why the differentiation between Giffords as a politician and Giffords "at home"? You assumed I wasn't referring to a Jew AS a Jew, such as at a Hillel center event, etc.


    I didn't get all over you, I suggested that you converse with smarter people who wouldn't think such dumb things.
    Sure you did. You used ALL CAPS and suggested that because I think what I do about what a lot people might have assumed, I need better friends:

    Quote Originally Posted by Res Cogitans View Post
    You really need to hang out with smarter people.


    SERIOUSLY.

    If you have liberal friends who you think would believe that, you need to stop talking to them immediately. If you have conservative friends who think that this is how liberals think, you need to tell them to read a book.

    And I immediately conceded the point that I may have exaggerated.
    Yes, you did.




    Its fair to say I've stolen bases, but it is just too much time and effort to explain the details of my arguments. And you are probably right, I'm used to talking to people who share a similar belief system as I have, so I am used to taking some of those details for granted.

    However, the fact that I readily admit this fact is enough to assure me that I am not programed by anything but my own thought. And TRUST ME, my whole job is based around justifying, rethinking, and, as you put it, "working through" systems of thougt.

    So I'm not just playing coy when I say it would take too much time and space (and, above all, energy) to fully make my arguments.
    I'm not worried about your not explaining your arguments; it's about the assumptions you've made throughout this conversation.
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure it is. If not, then why the differentiation between Giffords as a politician and Giffords "at home"? You assumed I wasn't referring to a Jew AS a Jew, such as at a Hillel center event, etc.




    Sure you did. You used ALL CAPS and suggested that because I think what I do about what a lot people might have assumed, I need better friends:






    Yes, you did.






    I'm not worried about your not explaining your arguments; it's about the assumptions you've made throughout this conversation.
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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Meet registered Democrat and self-identified Hispanic American, George Zimmerman

    Registered Dem Killed Trayvon | Washington Free Beacon

    George has some serious legal issues and his version is certainly suspect with the only evidence that is public record at this point in time.

    I do not care of either of their political or religious affiliations ... this case needs a real investigation and it appears (unless it has not been reported) that the scene was not treated as a serious crime scene with lab swabs and blood samples from Zimmerman and forensic evidence immediately taken. Most crime scenes are protected and analyzed for hours.

    Well finally because of the public outcry ... I hope justice is served and the truth is revealed.

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Meet registered Democrat and self-identified Hispanic American, George Zimmerman

    Registered Dem Killed Trayvon | Washington Free Beacon

    If Zimmerman is guilty or innocent it doesn't matter if he is republican or democrat, a racist or someone who isn't racist,or hispanic,white, black or what ever.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Registered Dem Killed Trayvon

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    prejudice against who?
    Conservatives.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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