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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

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    Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty and deserves the full rights granted to the accused. The problem is that despite considerable evidence suggesting murder, he hasn't even been arrested. Zimmerman deserves a fair trial, but there needs to be a trial in the first place.
    WTF? Considerable Evidence Suggesting Murder?
    Where?

    I haven't seen this "Considerable Evidence"
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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

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    So One fact is Zimmerman weighs 250+ lbs and 6"3' Trayvon weighed 140 lbs. So, it is very unlikely this eyewitness who claimed he saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman may be perjuring himself in the face of the other evidence. In any event since Zimmerman chased Trayvon he probably felt he could easily overpower such a skinny kid.
    A 5'9" man who weighs 250 pounds is fat, not strong. I would expect that a tall thin kid could easily overcome a short fat man.

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    Zimmerman is a Jewish name. His mother is Latina but his father is white. Zimmerman in the news picture could pass for an white supremacist.
    Not in the pics I've seen.
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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

    As of today, it has been revealed that the lead investigator(police) wanted to arrest Zimmerman for "Manslaughter" because he did not believe Zimmerman's account of what occurred. What happened?

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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

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    So, the suggestion is to stop talking Zimmerman but assassinate Trayvon's character. There isn't any support for your allegations, just hearsay like your comments about Zimmerman being friendly and gregarious. One fact is Zimmerman weighs 250+ lbs and 6"3' Trayvon weighed 140 lbs. So, it is very unlikely this eyewitness who claimed he saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman may be perjuring himself in the face of the other evidence. In any event since Zimmerman chased Trayvon he probably felt he could easily overpower such a skinny kid. I'm 5"7' slim and weigh 150 lbs. If I were stretched to 6"3', I would be very skinny. I have friends in the 240, 250+ lb. range and unless you are a martial artist, they could pummel you quite easily if you only weigh 140 lbs even if you could sucker punch them first.

    Zimmerman is a Jewish name. His mother is Latina but his father is white. Zimmerman in the news picture could pass for an white supremacist.
    Umm....
    Im going to make a really lost list of **** that you need to "put up or shut up" for.

    A. What evidence do you have that someone who is an EYEwitness perjured themselves against just due to body weight? What is the "other evidence"? Weight don't mean ****.
    B. Zimmerman ran to retain visual on Trayvon. Not to chase after him.
    C. What evidence do you have that "HE FELT HE COULD OVERPOWER.. blah blah" ?? Are you, too, a mind reader?
    D. Your assumptions on weight and ability to fight and take a punch are laughable at best. Weight has no bearing on that.
    E. You are judging Zimmerman on his appearance? He "LOOKS" like a white supremacist? And you think its wrong for someone to say Trayvon "LOOKS" like a criminal?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by amph View Post
    As of today, it has been revealed that the lead investigator(police) wanted to arrest Zimmerman for "Manslaughter" because he did not believe Zimmerman's account of what occurred. What happened?
    One has to know when this desire to arrest him began. And what evidence came out AFTER he made this assumption to change his mind.

    This, with absolutely no other context, means nothing.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by amph View Post
    As of today, it has been revealed that the lead investigator(police) wanted to arrest Zimmerman for "Manslaughter" because he did not believe Zimmerman's account of what occurred. What happened?
    The prosecutor determined that the evidence just wasn't there to get a conviction.

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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by amph View Post
    So, the suggestion is to stop talking Zimmerman but assassinate Trayvon's character. There isn't any support for your allegations, just hearsay like your comments about Zimmerman being friendly and gregarious. One fact is Zimmerman weighs 250+ lbs and 6"3' Trayvon weighed 140 lbs. So, it is very unlikely this eyewitness who claimed he saw Trayvon beating Zimmerman may be perjuring himself in the face of the other evidence. In any event since Zimmerman chased Trayvon he probably felt he could easily overpower such a skinny kid. I'm 5"7' slim and weigh 150 lbs. If I were stretched to 6"3', I would be very skinny. I have friends in the 240, 250+ lb. range and unless you are a martial artist, they could pummel you quite easily if you only weigh 140 lbs even if you could sucker punch them first.

    You don't know much about fighting.

    I'm a big man, 5'11 and 235, and strong, and very experienced at violence. I've fought guys that weighed maybe 140 but knew how to fight, and it isn't as easy as you make it sound. Force = mass x velocity, and with enough velocity you can hit hard even if you're not a muscleman. I've also taken down guys that were twice my size; if you hit them in the right places it hurts them just as much as it does anyone.

    Long limbs mean lots of leverage too. I've fought lean wiry guys who could hit like a mule.


    No matter how big or muscular you are, your nose is vulnerable to being broken by any good punch that hits squarely on the dot. A blow like that typically rattles the brain and damages the sinuses, also causing the eyes to water uncontrollably to the point of near-blindness for a while... on top of being incredibly painful. Once you've broken a man's nose and stunned him, taking him down is relatively easy.

    Claiming that Martin couldn't have been a real threat to Zimmerman just won't wash in the light of day.





    Zimmerman is a Jewish name. His mother is Latina but his father is white. Zimmerman in the news picture could pass for an white supremacist.
    I guess that tells us where your head is.

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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

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    No matter how big or muscular you are, your nose is vulnerable to being broken by any good punch that hits squarely on the dot. A blow like that typically rattles the brain and damages the sinuses, also causing the eyes to water uncontrollably to the point of near-blindness for a while... on top of being incredibly painful. Once you've broken a man's nose and stunned him, taking him down is relatively easy.

    I guess that tells us where your head is.
    Thats my first target...the nose....a broken ****ing bloody nose and if I'm lucky, I will also go for eyes....which (by the way) is very close to the nose

    Nose, eye-gouging, etc. I will try to **** you up as quick as possible.

    Fighting 10 rounds with some perp is bull****

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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Thats my first target...the nose....a broken ****ing bloody nose and if I'm lucky, I will also go for eyes....which (by the way) is very close to the nose

    Nose, eye-gouging, etc. I will try to **** you up as quick as possible.

    Fighting 10 rounds with some perp is bull****
    I once had a lengthy conversation with someone I would call a gang-banger, I guess. We talked at length about many things I was curious about in his life, and I came away with a few pearls of wisdom.

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    I don't know if that's true, but he was 45 or so when I talked to him, so I guess he earned his stripes. Terrible neighborhood. No jail. Still alive.
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    Re: Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

    I think being your "brother's keeper" has evolved from social apathy as a personal choice to apathy as a legal requirement.

    Despite all the hatred so intensely burned into everyone about Zimmerman, this is what happened:
    1. Driving home he saw someone he thought acting suspiciously. He dialed 911
    2. While on 911, that person approached him angrily but then seeing Zimmerman on the phone - for no other reason the suspicious person ran away.
    3. Zimmerman started to follow where the person was running, but the dispatcher told him not to.
    4. When off the phone, the suspicious person slugged Zimmerman in the face, then was beating his head into concrete.
    5. Zimmerman called for help but no one would.
    6. With his head being pounded into the concrete Zimmerman fired a single shot.

    From that most of the media and much of the public has concluded Zimmerman a murderer and racist because he dialed 911 and had tried to see where a suspicious person went to tell the police when they arrived.

    It was 7 pm. After work hours for most. Many people heard him shouting - so loud it could be heard indoors in the background of a 911 call. That meant many people heard it. MOST did exactly nothing. Those outside rushed inside. A couple dialed 911. NONE came to help. Yet at that time neither had a weapon.

    I believe if ANYONE had come running up shouting "break it up! break it up!" it would ended. But none did.

    Not one person in the neighbor gives a damn nor would take any risk of anyone for their fellow humans. Zimmerman did care about his neighborhood. It got him assaulted, labeled a racist and murderer, his life destroyed, a bounty for him dead or alive, people even on this forum calling for him and his entire family to be killed - the media and government silent on it, the full weight of government after him, him expelled from college, and he and his entire family fleeing into hiding.

    All before he is even charged with anything.

    Why? Because he dialed 911 and tried to see where someone ran off to so he could tell the police when they arrive.

    I think a new law has been established. It is no longer a right of people to stand by and watch a child beaten, woman raped or person murdered. It is socially intolerable and illegal to be anything but apathetic.

    THAT will be the result of this no matter whether Zimmerman is convicted of anything or not. Only a very low intelligent fool would ever intervene on anyone's behalf. In fact, don't even think of calling 911 anymore. It is only a danger to yourself and your family. Its everyone for themselves now.

    I'm pretty good at everyone for themselves actually. Are you? I know the old widows in their homes around her as crime continues to grow as unemployment does. They are on their own now too. The crime watch for this community here is disbanding and the meeting called to formalize doing so. This is the best way the can keep their right to carry - NOT be in neighborhood crime watch - so they can at least look out for themselves and their family. And 90% of them are the wrong race according to Obama.

    Personally, I hope they then do a press release and point-blank blame Obama turning this into a race war and his political anti-gun football - in this swing state of Florida. Let the vast majority of gun owners in Florida decide if shooting to defend themselves makes them a racist and murder. Including the murderous gun owner Latinos.

    The next time we read of someone being assaulted or murdered as people watch doing nothing, we should start a thread congratulating them.

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