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Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

ReverendHellh0und said:
The suit has little to do with the view of these cats.....


On another note, a carhart jacket, a clipboard and a hard hat, and no one is suspicious of you, and will usually let you into places you are not supposed to go. :prof
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I accomplish a lot by wearing a nun's habit. :mrgreen:
 
Excon said:
I don't believe anybody doesn't believe that Trayvon was trying to evade Zimmerman at one point in time. You have no point with that.
But you made it a blanket statement and said; "The witness reports say that Mrtin was trying to get away!"
While ignoring that the witness's reports that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, a man calling for help, at one point in time.

That is not, in any sense of the words, "retreating ala running away".

That is what was being pointed out to you, and apparently what flew over your head.





My turn? Oh goodie, I like turns. :)

Yes there is direct evidence that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman.
Zimmerman's statement is evidence.
It is direct evidence.
It is evidence that is not contradicted, and is supported by the physical wounds.

Chasing is an inaccurate characterization.
Following is accurate.
Following someone to keep them under observation until police arrive is not behavior that is wrong.
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Again; Martin was running away . . . Its becomming quite clear that what really happened was that Zimmerman caught up to Travon martin and a fight insued with Martin trying to defend himself and of course he beat that fatman's a** doin it. Then Zimmerman pulled a gun and shot that boy: that's what happened.

911 told Zimmerman "we don't need for you to do that": follow him (chase him)

And the same police department that did nothing with Zimmerman but let him go free is the same police department that is - now(?) - releasing (actually - leaking) what Zimmerman allegedly said. Why does it take this long for Zimmerman's statement to come out? Why did the town police chief resign so fast? Why is that Zimmerman's lawyer ran out on an interview that was trying to ask some hard questions to give Zimmerman a chance to vindicate:

Craig Sonner, George Zimmerman's Lawyer, Reportedly Flees Lawrence O'Donnell Interview (VIDEO)

Why is it that Zimmerman is hiding?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure what's going on here. So I'm afraid that your "Zimmerman was defending himself" story won't hold water against al the other evidence against Zimmerman: oh, BTW, did you know Zimmerman once assaulted a poice officer? and has a record himself?

So, your characterizations of MArtin are really without merit here as is your version of the story, and the more that
 
jet57 said:
Again; Martin was running away . . . Its becomming quite clear that what really happened was that Zimmerman caught up to Travon martin and a fight insued with Martin trying to defend himself and of course he beat that fatman's a** doin it. Then Zimmerman pulled a gun and shot that boy: that's what happened.

911 told Zimmerman "we don't need for you to do that": follow him (chase him)

And the same police department that did nothing with Zimmerman but let him go free is the same police department that is - now(?) - releasing (actually - leaking) what Zimmerman allegedly said. Why does it take this long for Zimmerman's statement to come out? Why did the town police chief resign so fast? Why is that Zimmerman's lawyer ran out on an interview that was trying to ask some hard questions to give Zimmerman a chance to vindicate:

Craig Sonner, George Zimmerman's Lawyer, Reportedly Flees Lawrence O'Donnell Interview (VIDEO)

Why is it that Zimmerman is hiding?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure what's going on here. So I'm afraid that your "Zimmerman was defending himself" story won't hold water against al the other evidence against Zimmerman: oh, BTW, did you know Zimmerman once assaulted a poice officer? and has a record himself?

So, your characterizations of MArtin are really without merit here as is your version of the story, and the more that
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There is no way fat Zimmerman could have chased down Martin. An arial view of the complex has been posted and it known after the 911 call by Zimmerman that Martin was on the phone for 5 minutes. Martin could have run around the whole complex by then, not just a couple hundred yards at the most to his father's house. In additional his girlfriend on the phone stated that he told her that he wasn't going to run.
 
Excon said:
Trayvon's Father's girlfriend's, Zimmerman's and others.
Trayvon was a guest.



Supposedly it was a gated community. So what?




Personally, I would not have included questions in a list of facts.

ref. Q. #5 - Zimmerman was 5'9", pudgy, and out of breath after running a few seconds
Trayvon was 6'0", 160lbs and an athlete

ref. Q. #6 - No, NW is a group of volunteers from the community. It could just as well have been a woman of small stature.


For all intent and purpose - Trayvon was a young man, not a kid.
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If in fact Martin was a guest in this neighborhood he had a right to be there yes or no?

Volunteers for neighborhood watch, watch and report they do not stalk and chase. yes or no.

The report I read the 911 call received went something like this.
Zimmerman; I see a suspicious black male in the neighborhood
Dispatch; do not engage
Zimmerman; I am following a suspicious black male
Dispatch; break of pursuit
After that....
Maybe not word for word but pretty much how it went yes or no?

There is also the conversation between Martin and his girlfriend .
Martin some guy is following me
Girlfriend ; why
Martin; don't know
Maybe not word for word but it's pretty much how it went. yes or no

Question If in the future I have a confrontation and somebody is kicking my ass do I have the right to kill him?

Question If in the future if I see a suspicious person walking through my neighborhood after I make a 911 call, and after the police dispatch tells me not to pursue can I chase them down and fight with them and shoot and kill them?
Is this the new president set for America?:peace
 
presluc said:
If in fact Martin was a guest in this neighborhood he had a right to be there yes or no?

Volunteers for neighborhood watch, watch and report they do not stalk and chase. yes or no.

The report I read the 911 call received went something like this.
Zimmerman; I see a suspicious black male in the neighborhood
Dispatch; do not engage
Zimmerman; I am following a suspicious black male
Dispatch; break of pursuit
After that....
Maybe not word for word but pretty much how it went yes or no?

There is also the conversation between Martin and his girlfriend .
Martin some guy is following me
Girlfriend ; why
Martin; don't know
Maybe not word for word but it's pretty much how it went. yes or no

Question If in the future I have a confrontation and somebody is kicking my ass do I have the right to kill him?
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If trying to kill you and you have a gun, yes, definitely.
 
TurtleDude said:
are you trying to create an argument? I didn't say if I endorse uniforms or not-I merely noted that one of the more rational arguments in favor of them is it allows adults to quickly identify a non-student youth. For example, the catholic prep school next to my squash club requires the boys to wear white shirts, dark ties and navy trousers, the girls white blouses, and gray skirts with dark knee socks or tights. if some kid is in the parking lot while classes are in session wearing jeans and a tshirt its pretty obvious he shouldn't be there

Now I guess some mope could put on a white dress shirt, dress trousers and dark shoes or a gray kilt etc in order to infiltrate the school

It has nothing to do with "helping a child"
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Not starting an argument, education in today's youth is very important

Well, some schools already have metal detectors and security guards, I don't think school uniforms would be inapproiate..:peace
 
Top Cat said:
Geraldo is a Libertarian. He is anything buy liberal. He's far more aligned to your whack job party than anything else. And of course, he works for your favorite Kool Aid Stand. Fake News.
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Geraldo is about as libertarian as Zell Miller is liberal.
 
Excon said:
Only after he decided to use it.
Not before.
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Ever hear of the word pistol whipped, people don't die from that all the time .:peace
 
jet57 said:
Again; Martin was running away . . . Its becomming quite clear that what really happened was that Zimmerman caught up to Travon martin and a fight insued with Martin trying to defend himself and of course he beat that fatman's a** doin it. Then Zimmerman pulled a gun and shot that boy: that's what happened.

911 told Zimmerman "we don't need for you to do that": follow him (chase him)

And the same police department that did nothing with Zimmerman but let him go free is the same police department that is - now(?) - releasing (actually - leaking) what Zimmerman allegedly said. Why does it take this long for Zimmerman's statement to come out? Why did the town police chief resign so fast? Why is that Zimmerman's lawyer ran out on an interview that was trying to ask some hard questions to give Zimmerman a chance to vindicate:

Craig Sonner, George Zimmerman's Lawyer, Reportedly Flees Lawrence O'Donnell Interview (VIDEO)

Why is it that Zimmerman is hiding?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure what's going on here. So I'm afraid that your "Zimmerman was defending himself" story won't hold water against al the other evidence against Zimmerman: oh, BTW, did you know Zimmerman once assaulted a poice officer? and has a record himself?

So, your characterizations of MArtin are really without merit here as is your version of the story, and the more that
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Your spin is what it is too.

Sonner's folly was in agreeing to an interview with O'Donnell in the first place. My guess is that he's inexperienced on the national stage. Might not have known, who O'Donnell even was unless he happens to him.

Lawrence O’Donnell’s Racially Charged Attacks A Political Gift To Herman Cain | Mediaite
 
Of course that is nonsense, the hoodie is an excuse along with the leaks about Trayvon being suspended because the school 'suspected'that an empty bag someone found on him or in his locker. Did they do a forensic test to really find out if the bag had had a sandwich or some other edible rather than jumping to the conclusion that it had contained weed? The answer is a resounding NO. That makes it irrelevant to what happened and it is inconclusive to demeaning Trayvon unless one ignorantly makes the assumption the leaker(s) is trying to suggest.

Newt had a point though he twisted it the other way. If Zimmerman had confronted a white teen, one, an altercation might not have happened, and two, if Zimmerman had shot and killed a white teen - wearing a hoodie - he would have been arrested on the spot, regardless of his claiming 'he stood his ground'. Period. :roll:
 
joko104 said:
There is no way fat Zimmerman could have chased down Martin. An arial view of the complex has been posted and it known after the 911 call by Zimmerman that Martin was on the phone for 5 minutes. Martin could have run around the whole complex by then, not just a couple hundred yards at the most to his father's house. In additional his girlfriend on the phone stated that he told her that he wasn't going to run.
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Number one; Travon Martin had been on the phone with his girlfriend when this went down. Secondly, Zimmerman's story is falling apart by the minute: chased down, caught up to; whatever you want to call it - he was pursuing Martin.

It's coming across the wires that Zimmerman's father is a judge . . . (a cover up)

Is it beginning to make sense now?
 
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jet57 said:
Number one; Travon MArtin had been on the phone with his girlfriend when this went down. Secondly, Zimmerman's story is falling apart by the minute: chased down, caught up to; whatever you want to call it - he was pursuing Martin.

It's coming across the wires that Zimmerman's father is a judge . . . (a cover up)

Is it beginning to make sense now?
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It doesn't matter. It was the Hoodie's fault.
 
It has come to light that at least one police investigator wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Manslaughter.

Here: PoliticsNation
 
amph said:
It has come to light that at least one police investigator wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Manslaughter.

Here: PoliticsNation
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Thank you for posting the link. Did you notice that the photo on this Al Sharpton page is of a little boy?
 
nota bene said:
Your spin is what it is too.

Sonner's folly was in agreeing to an interview with O'Donnell in the first place. My guess is that he's inexperienced on the national stage. Might not have known, who O'Donnell even was unless he happens to him.

Lawrence O’Donnell’s Racially Charged Attacks A Political Gift To Herman Cain | Mediaite
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I'm not spinning anything I'm afraid. I'm reporting the facts as they're coming out and Zimmerman is ultimately going to be cooked like a goose.

As for O'donnell (clan donald) and Herman Cain; the interview was not shown in it's entirety of course and so the building contecxt of the conversation is lost. It was a very fair question BTW since Cains opinion of those less fortunatre has been: "if you are not a success; blame yourslef". So, the entirety of the civil rights movement is fair game: Cain obviously knows nothing about Rosa Parks and that's patently obvious. Moreover Herman Cain has been shown to be a profound liar, and that's what excised him from teh political arena; not "unfair questions".

And O'donnell did not spin the Zimmerman affair either. His questions were completely appropriate: Zimmerman is a liar and that will out.
 
amph said:
It has come to light that at least one police investigator wanted to arrest Zimmerman for Manslaughter.

Here: PoliticsNation
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And there you go; somebody was thinking. Watch what happens . . .

Zimmerman pulled that piece and fired with intent to kill: I say he should be charged with murder 1.
 
They may instead use criminal violation of civil rights, a federal catch-all charge.

O'Donnell is a liar.
 
joko104 said:
They may instead use criminal violation of civil rights, a federal catch-all charge.

O'Donnell is a liar.
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Prove that O'donnell is a liar.
 
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