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Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

Really?
Where do they say that?
Please provide links.

Here you go; no better witnesses than a 911 operator recording exactly what Zimmerman said:

Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford - Tampa Bay Times

On a recording of the call, you can hear Zimmerman say, "He's got his hand in his waistband. Something is wrong with him." Then, "He's running toward the back entrance."

Gun Control Advocates Politicizing Trayvon Martin Shooting | The Right Sphere

Zimmerman’s own 911 phone call tosses his lame self-defense excuse right out the window. Below is George Zimmerman’s 911 call. There are two areas of the clip that are very important to listen to. The first is at the 2:05 mark where Zimmerman says, “****, he’s running.” Notice he doesn’t say Martin is running towards him. In fact, he tells the dispatcher that Martin was running “down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.”

At 2:19, you can hear Zimmerman breathing heavier along with some wind noise hitting his phone which prompts the dispatcher at 2:23 to ask, “Are you following him?” to which Zimmerman replies, “Yeah” to which the dispatcher says, “Ok, we don’t need you to do that.” Zimmerman replies, “Ok.”
As soon as Zimmerman said, “He’s running” and clearly indicated Martin was running away from him and decided to pursue, Zimmerman became the aggressor. He was then told by the dispatcher not to follow Martin. Zimmerman did so anyway and then told police after the shooting that he was walking to his car when he was confronted by Martin. The 911 call proves this was nonsense.

So, the facct is; Martin was retreating as an unarmed youth who was being pursued by a racist gun nut. When you can find hard factual evidence that refutes that, let me know.
 
Here you go; no better witnesses than a 911 operator recording exactly what Zimmerman said:
Honestly - I think what I was trying to say flew over your head.

The evidence is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind.
That is not trying to get away, but is instead aggravated assault.

Apparently wish to address Trayvon's actions prior to his assault on Zimmerman, which were during the time he was being kept under observation until police arrived.
Which had nothing to do with the comment you made and the one I quoted.
So, from where do you derive the proof that Travel Martin engaged in felony aggravated assault? The witness reports say that Mrtin was trying to get away!
The witness reports do not say that Trayvon was trying to get away at the time of his assault on Zimmerman.
 
You just described what I wear to work in my sawmill damnit. I demand an apology! :lol:

Don't be too offended...I just described what I wear to work, everyday. :rofl

Minus the foo-man-chu mustache, though. I stopped wearing the Redwings, too. I found some boots by Muck that are the warmest, most comfortable boots I've ever owned. I can work a 15 hour day, no problem in these boots. The only shortcoming, is that they're heavy; but, that I can live with.
 
Here you go; no better witnesses than a 911 operator recording exactly what Zimmerman said:

Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford - Tampa Bay Times



Gun Control Advocates Politicizing Trayvon Martin Shooting | The Right Sphere



So, the facct is; Martin was retreating as an unarmed youth who was being pursued by a racist gun nut. When you can find hard factual evidence that refutes that, let me know.

Can you possibly imagine how you piss away what little credibility you have by saying things like that?

People who say things like that are the same people who claim that 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
 
You certaionly strongly implied in your own post 164 reproduced by me right on this very page.

So, now you can read my mind?

Might want to stop trying to read my mind and start learning to spell.
 
you clearly inferred it.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the meaning of your comment.

You mean he implied; you inferred.
 

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Honestly - I think what I was trying to say flew over your head.

The evidence is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind.
That is not trying to get away, but is instead aggravated assault.

Apparently wish to address Trayvon's actions prior to his assault on Zimmerman, which were during the time he was being kept under observation until police arrived.
Which had nothing to do with the comment you made and the one I quoted.

The witness reports do not say that Trayvon was trying to get away at the time of his assault on Zimmerman.

Uh yeah... and the kid walked that same neighborhood for night after night until the fool finally took the bait. :roll: really clever that kid was making that guy attack stalk like that. :shock:

Amazing.
 
Uh yeah... and the kid walked that same neighborhood for night after night until the fool finally took the bait. :roll: really clever that kid was making that guy attack stalk like that. :shock:

Amazing.


that's actually pretty funny
 
Uh yeah... and the kid walked that same neighborhood for night after night until the fool finally took the bait. :roll: really clever that kid was making that guy attack stalk like that. :shock:

Amazing.
Your sarcasm aside.
You have no idea of what you are talking about.


And just fthoi.
That wasn't even Trayvon's neighborhood.
 
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that is one of the more rational arguments in favor of uniforms in public schools--the security or teachers can quickly identify someone in the school who is not a student

Agreed for if teachers are to "assume" a child is this or that based on what he wears.

1.Who's to say that is not all the child has to wear?
2. Who's to say this child because of what he is wearing would effect the teachers ability to help this child with a problem?:peace
 
Your sarcasm aside.
You have no idea of what you are talking about.


And just fthoi.
That wasn't even Trayvon's neighborhood.

I gotta question,
Just who's neighborhood was it?

I mean was there some kind of "no trespassing" sign on the edges of this neighborhood?

Just one more thing about the one thing people keep overlooking about this case, to borrow from an old T.V.show just the facts.

1.a boy is dead. fact
2 . The boy has been killed with a gun fact
3. The boy was unarmed fact
4. The Police know the man who owned and shot the gun that killed the boy. fact
5. Question; how big was the man, how big was the boy?
6. Question; shouldn't a man,a member of the neighborhood watch know how to handle himself in a fist fight with a boy?

Forget about the skin colors, forget about the clothing, forget about the news hype just look at the facts and questions..
Ask yourself a question if this had happened in Harlem facts and everything the exact same facts and questions except a black man and a white boy, if this had happened in E. L.A. same exact facts only with a white boy and a Mexican man.
What then would you think?:peace
 
Geraldo Rivera is Al Sharpton with a taco and a shot of tequila.
 
Honestly - I think what I was trying to say flew over your head.

The evidence is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind.
That is not trying to get away, but is instead aggravated assault.

Apparently wish to address Trayvon's actions prior to his assault on Zimmerman, which were during the time he was being kept under observation until police arrived.
Which had nothing to do with the comment you made and the one I quoted.

The witness reports do not say that Trayvon was trying to get away at the time of his assault on Zimmerman.

Look, I proved that Travon MArtin was retreating ala running away. So, now it's you're turn to prove that Travon engaged in aggravated asault by attacking Zimmerman from behind. There is absolutely zero direct evidence to support that notion; and since Zimmerman was armed - and chasing Travon Martin, then your argument is even less likely.

And no, sorry, I don't think I missed your message at all. If you believe I have then perhaps you can enlighten me . . .
 
Can you possibly imagine how you piss away what little credibility you have by saying things like that?

People who say things like that are the same people who claim that 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush administration.

I'm sorry; "piss away credibility"?? I proved my assertion with not one, but two different independent sources. Yet you come on and ad-hominem your way into a conversation and bring nothing productive into it . . . .

Uh, credibility you say???

(chuckle)
 
Look, I proved that Travon MArtin was retreating ala running away.
...
And no, sorry, I don't think I missed your message at all. If you believe I have then perhaps you can enlighten me . .
I don't believe anybody doesn't believe that Trayvon was trying to evade Zimmerman at one point in time. You have no point with that.
But you made it a blanket statement and said; "The witness reports say that Mrtin was trying to get away!"
While ignoring that the witness's reports that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, a man calling for help, at one point in time.

That is not, in any sense of the words, "retreating ala running away".

That is what was being pointed out to you, and apparently what flew over your head.




So, now it's you're turn to prove that Travon engaged in aggravated asault by attacking Zimmerman from behind. There is absolutely zero direct evidence to support that notion; and since Zimmerman was armed - and chasing Travon Martin, then your argument is even less likely.
My turn? Oh goodie, I like turns. :)

Yes there is direct evidence that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman.
Zimmerman's statement is evidence.
It is direct evidence.
It is evidence that is not contradicted, and is supported by the physical wounds.

Chasing is an inaccurate characterization.
Following is accurate.
Following someone to keep them under observation until police arrive is not behavior that is wrong.
 
I gotta question,
Just who's neighborhood was it?
Trayvon's Father's girlfriend's, Zimmerman's and others.
Trayvon was a guest.


I mean was there some kind of "no trespassing" sign on the edges of this neighborhood?
Supposedly it was a gated community. So what?



Just one more thing about the one thing people keep overlooking about this case, to borrow from an old T.V.show just the facts.

1.a boy is dead. fact
2 . The boy has been killed with a gun fact
3. The boy was unarmed fact
4. The Police know the man who owned and shot the gun that killed the boy. fact
5. Question; how big was the man, how big was the boy?
6. Question; shouldn't a man,a member of the neighborhood watch know how to handle himself in a fist fight with a boy?
Personally, I would not have included questions in a list of facts.

ref. Q. #5 - Zimmerman was 5'9", pudgy, and out of breath after running a few seconds
Trayvon was 6'0", 160lbs and an athlete

ref. Q. #6 - No, NW is a group of volunteers from the community. It could just as well have been a woman of small stature.


For all intent and purpose - Trayvon was a young man, not a kid.
 
Geraldo is a Libertarian. He is anything buy liberal. He's far more aligned to your whack job party than anything else. And of course, he works for your favorite Kool Aid Stand. Fake News.

That's likely Stossel you're thinking of. Geraldo is no libertarian.
 
...Personally, I would not have included questions in a list of facts.

ref. Q. #5 - Zimmerman was 5'9", pudgy, and out of breath after running a few seconds
Trayvon was 6'0", 160lbs and an athlete....

Zimmerman was also carrying a handgun. That gave him the upper hand.
 
Agreed for if teachers are to "assume" a child is this or that based on what he wears.

1.Who's to say that is not all the child has to wear?
2. Who's to say this child because of what he is wearing would effect the teachers ability to help this child with a problem?:peace

are you trying to create an argument? I didn't say if I endorse uniforms or not-I merely noted that one of the more rational arguments in favor of them is it allows adults to quickly identify a non-student youth. For example, the catholic prep school next to my squash club requires the boys to wear white shirts, dark ties and navy trousers, the girls white blouses, and gray skirts with dark knee socks or tights. if some kid is in the parking lot while classes are in session wearing jeans and a tshirt its pretty obvious he shouldn't be there

Now I guess some mope could put on a white dress shirt, dress trousers and dark shoes or a gray kilt etc in order to infiltrate the school

It has nothing to do with "helping a child"
 
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