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Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

Thunder said:
the grass stains on Zimmerman's back, contradicts that evidence.

the witnesses' statement that he saw Martin hitting Zimmerman while Zimmerman was on his back, again contradicts this.
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Come now, let's not be silly. A fight can be initiated from behind and still end up with one guy on his back in the grass, fights are dynamic and not static. The initial attack could have been a punch to the back of the head, followed by a struggle in which Z was toppled onto his back.
 
Goshin said:
Come now, let's not be silly. A fight can be initiated from behind and still end up with one guy on his back in the grass, fights are dynamic and not static. The initial attack could have been a punch to the back of the head, followed by a struggle in which Z was toppled onto his back.
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yes, and it could have also started face to face.
 
Thunder said:
yes, and it could have also started face to face.
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Could have. No one is admitting to seeing the start of the fight except Zimmerman. This poses some difficulties to the prosecution.
 
Goshin said:
Could have. No one is admitting to seeing the start of the fight except Zimmerman. This poses some difficulties to the prosecution.
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and yet, some folks are stating with authority, that "Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind.".
 
Excon
The "evidence" you repeatedly cite is a self serving statement from somebody who is desperately trying to avoid murder charges. His statements - as such - should not be taken as unchallengable evidence - but merely as his own self serving version of things intended to save his own skin.
 
Thunder said:
and yet, some folks are stating with authority, that "Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind.".
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I am not one of those persons. All I'm saying is that, absent contradictory evidence, it is going to be hard to get past "Reasonable doubt".
 
rcart76 said:
There is no way in hell Zimmerman would be free if this kid was a white kid. And you know that is fact.
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Do you have some authority to back this statement up. If not, it is simply untrue.
 
A 17 year old black kid gets killed under questionable circumstances and the media goes nuts, Sharpton and Jackson make speeches blacks march in the streets, libs immediately convict his killer and President Obama comments that if he had a son he would look like the deceased kid. Contrast that to a recent killing in Spokane Washington where a 70 year old white man was beaten to death by an 18 year old black kid. No national media attention whatsoever, no marches in the street by whites, and no president Obama saying it could of been his dad. Just something to think about.


Man beaten while breaking up party dies




March 16, 2012


The Spokane veteran’s hospital community is grieving for a beloved employee who died after being assaulted while trying to break up an underage party.

Frank James Motta, a retired high school principal, teacher and football coach, began volunteering at the Spokane Veterans Affairs Medical Center in 2009 and was hired as a patient’s advocate four months ago. His wife, Virginia, and daughter, Jami, also volunteer there.

Motta was attacked by a partygoer while trying to break up a large gathering at his neighbor’s house. The neighor was out of town and had asked Motta to clear out the party, thrown by her teenage son. Motta died Thursday night at Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center, friends confirmed.
 
Thunder said:
such a statement is only possible, if you never read nor watch the news.
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If you can find just one news report that doesn't mention the fact that Trevor was black I would like to see it. His being black should not be the issue. The issue should be one man shot another man under questionable circumstances, race should not be a factor as it wasn't in the article I posted from Spokane.
 
joko104 said:
If Martin had not engaged in felony aggravated assault against Zimmerman he'd still be alive.

Point to the statute that says the felony aggravated assault statute does not apply if the person called the police on you and watched where you went to tell the police when they arrive?
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So, from where do you derive the proof that Travel Martin engaged in felony aggravated assault? The witness reports say that Mrtin was trying to get away!
 
haymarket said:
We do not execute people in this country because we do not like the way they dress.

Or at least we should not if we believe in the law.
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No, we don't and Martin wasn't executed. However, people see you as you are. If you look like a ghetto thug, then people are going to assume that you are.

I bet you don't wear overalls, a dirty baseball cap and Redwing work boots to work. Do you? Why don't you? Because you'll look like some ignorant hick that can barely write his name, not the chief of staff for a state legislator. Appearance is everything in our society.
 
apdst said:
No, we don't and Martin wasn't executed. However, people see you as you are. If you look like a ghetto thug, then people are going to assume that you are.....
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and now, Martin looked like a ghetto thug? I guess Zimmerman should have just shot him from the car huh?
 
Hatuey said:
No. They shouldn't. They shouldn't think about presentation any more than white kids with mohawks or Latin kids with tattoos. They should be allowed to walk dressed however and wherever the **** they choose without fearing some dickhead will walk up to them with a gun. Clothing do not a criminal make and it's ridiculous prejudices like yours that are what got Trayvon killed to begin with.
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It just doesn't work like that, out here in the real world.

If you see some white dude in overalls, dirty boots, foo-man-chu mustache, probably dipping snuff and a greasy baseball cap, you're going to automatically sterotype him as a racist redneck and treat him differently than you would someone else presenting themselves in a different way. And, please, don't insult our intelligence and say that you wouldn't, because we all know better.

Everyone is prejudice. Libbos do more to keep prejudice and racism alive than any other group in this country.
 
rcart76 said:
I'm not saying it is a hate crime, but it was definitely motives to go after the kid. He was caught on tape clearly sayng " they always get away". Who is they? I know what he means and I'm sure you knows what it means. I listen to the tape recording 20 times and he said coon. How all of the sudden cases like these are difficult? Thousand of men are in prison right now for the same thing that Zimmerman got to walk for.

We can disagree all night but this is fact. If Zimmerman gets away with this, Florida is sending out a dangerous message . It is okay to kill another individual if you provoke the altercation and feel threaten. I can go to my neighbor right now, if I didn't like him, and pick a fight with him just to claim self defense and shoot him. THis is what it is all about. There is no way in hell Zimmerman would be free if this kid was a white kid. And you know that is fact.
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He was probably referring to crooks. Unless you're claiming that all crooks are black. Are you?
 
Thunder said:
so you agree with my paraphrasing of your comment?
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No. I do not agree with the words that you tried to put into my mouth.

I have plenty of my own words. There's no need for you to put more.
 
How is it that some thing this kid was dressed as a thug?
 
apdst said:
Who said he was dressed as a thug?
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from Haymarket

We do not execute people in this country because we do not like the way they dress.

Or at least we should not if we believe in the law.
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the reply from apdst
No, we don't and Martin wasn't executed. However, people see you as you are. If you look like a ghetto thug, then people are going to assume that you are.
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