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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No, a eyewitness named "John" has claimed that in a tussle, Zimmerman was on the bottom, and I think the police have now affirmed that he had a broken nose.
    No. They haven't. It's his lawyer claiming he got a broken nose. The police haven't said anything. Please quit making stuff up?
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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Good going, Geraldo strikes again! Idiot! Anybody who's afraid of kids of many colors, in hoodies, hasn't been to an average college campus lately. In the rain, kids especially wear hoodies. Not to mention on a college campus, the hoodie wearer is more likely to jaywalk right in front of your car at any moment!
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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Dude... DO you listen to yourself???? You pretty much excuse Zimmerman of anything. You pretty much just said Trayvon is dead because he was young and black. If he would have ran from Zimmerman he would have been alive today. But of course not running is a reason to kill. Well like I said in earlier post, people like you do not value black lives. I wish you would just admit that you are racist.
    That is not what I said.
    The color of his skin holds no meaning to me, or to the relevance of Trayvon's action.

    Let me make it clearer for you.
    If Trayvon had not attacked Zimmerman he most likely would still be alive today.



    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the only evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman, is Zimmerman's statement to the police, and a dishonest Fox News Tampa headline.
    The first part you got correct, the second part isn't evidence.



    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No, a eyewitness named "John" has claimed that in a tussle, Zimmerman was on the bottom, and I think the police have now affirmed that he had a broken nose.
    The police report written by one named Timothy Smith says that Zimmerman "was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head".

    Please provide this report from police saying he had a broken nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. They shouldn't. They shouldn't think about presentation any more than white kids with mohawks or Latin kids with tattoos. They should be allowed to walk dressed however and wherever the **** they choose without fearing some dickhead will walk up to them with a gun. Clothing do not a criminal make and it's ridiculous prejudices like yours that are what got Trayvon killed to begin with.


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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. They shouldn't. They shouldn't think about presentation any more than white kids with mohawks or Latin kids with tattoos. They should be allowed to walk dressed however and wherever the **** they choose without fearing some dickhead will walk up to them with a gun. Clothing do not a criminal make and it's ridiculous prejudices like yours that are what got Trayvon killed to begin with.
    Maybe the hoodie alone isnt enough to suspect someone on, but a hoodie, can of iced tea, and a bag of skittles? Doods lookin to start something,

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

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    Let me make it clearer for you.
    If Trayvon had not attacked Zimmerman he most likely would still be alive today.
    First, we do not know that such an "attack" ever happened as you describe it.
    Second, the attack could well have been Zimmerman attacking Martin and the kid standing his own ground and defending himself.
    Third, one thing seems clear, If Zimmerman would have followed instructions and stayed in his vehicle and NOT confronted Martin, the kid would be alive today. Zimmerman provoked this incident and bears responsibility for what evolved from his confronting of Martin. If somebody stops or attempts to stop you while you are exercising your own rights you are well within your right to ignore them or even tell them to F off and get out of your face. And if they get pushy or belligerent in response, then this stand your ground law works to your benefit.
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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, we do not know that such an "attack"
    Yes we do know.
    The evidence is that Trayvon attacked him from behind - Zimmerman's statement.
    There is no other evidence that disputes that.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Second, the attack could well have been Zimmerman attacking Martin and the kid standing his own ground and defending himself.
    There is no evidence that supports this and is purely supposition.

    There is no reason to engage in supposition that is contrary to known evidence or that isn't supported by the evidence at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Third, one thing seems clear, If Zimmerman would have followed instructions and stayed in his vehicle and NOT confronted Martin, the kid would be alive today. Zimmerman provoked this incident and bears responsibility for what evolved from his confronting of Martin. If somebody stops or attempts to stop you while you are exercising your own rights you are well within your right to ignore them or even tell them to F off and get out of your face. And if they get pushy or belligerent in response, then this stand your ground law works to your benefit.
    Zimmerman working in the capacity of NW and following Trayvon to keep him under observation until the police he called arrived is in no way wrong or incorrect.

    If you wish to engage in this type of supposition when there is no need to then supposition flows both ways.

    It is just as clear that Trayvon shouldn't have attacked a person from behind with a weapon (can of tea), because this lead to him being killed.

    See how that works?
    What I stated is very possible, and what some may even consider probable, considering the evidence, but it is nothing more that speculation because there is no evidence that Trayvon actually hit him with the can of tea from behind.

    Only evidence that Zimmerman was attacked from behind. Not with what, or how. Only that that is happened.
    An attack that came from behind.

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes we do know.
    The evidence is that Trayvon attacked him from behind - Zimmerman's statement.
    There is no other evidence that disputes that....

    ...Only evidence that Zimmerman was attacked from behind. Not with what, or how. Only that that is happened.
    An attack that came from behind.
    the grass stains on Zimmerman's back, contradicts that evidence.

    the witnesses' statement that he saw Martin hitting Zimmerman while Zimmerman was on his back, again contradicts this.

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    I would be in hiding too if I were George Zimmerman.

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    I'm not saying it is a hate crime, but it was definitely motives to go after the kid. He was caught on tape clearly sayng " they always get away". Who is they? I know what he means and I'm sure you knows what it means. I listen to the tape recording 20 times and he said coon. How all of the sudden cases like these are difficult? Thousand of men are in prison right now for the same thing that Zimmerman got to walk for.

    We can disagree all night but this is fact. If Zimmerman gets away with this, Florida is sending out a dangerous message . It is okay to kill another individual if you provoke the altercation and feel threaten. I can go to my neighbor right now, if I didn't like him, and pick a fight with him just to claim self defense and shoot him. THis is what it is all about. There is no way in hell Zimmerman would be free if this kid was a white kid. And you know that is fact.


    Response to the italics: No, you can't just go provoke your neighbor, kill him and claim self-defense... you don't seem to understand SYG law. For one thing if you go on your neighbors yard or in his house and start something you're almost automatically in the wrong. This case was different. Zimmerman's original situation was on the phone with 911, keeping observation on someone he considered to be acting suspicious. When Zimmerman left the vehicle to follow the 'suspicious individual' he entered a dubious grey area, because this is a public street rather than a private yard or home.

    The crux of the matter is probably going to be whether Zimmerman or Martin initiated the physical fight, and so far we don't have conclusive info on that one. Zimmerman says Martin attacked him; eyewitnesses saw Martin on top of the tussle; so far no one claims to have seen who assaulted who first. In the absence of contrary evidence there will tend to be an assumption of innocence, you know. We can't convict a man on what he MIGHT have done without evidence.

    Zimmerman would probably have been on thin ice for shooting an unarmed and physically smaller person had it not been for substantial injuries he sustainted in the fight. As it is, it is a toss-up as to how this will fall out in court.

    In no way would Zimmerman's acquittal send a message that you can just go start a fight and kill someone in cold blood; this situation is an unusual one and as I keep saying, it is legally very borderline and if Zimmerman does ultimately walk he'd better be one grateful SOB because he really pushed the bounds of the law on this one hard.

    Replying to the bolded part: I have no such knowlege and neither do you. You are presuming institutional and widespread racism on the part of local police and prosecutor's office in that statement and I'd need to see some proof that they have a history of racism before I buy into that. This is an ASSUMPTION on your part, based on your own apparent biased tendency to assume racism anytime a black person is involved.

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