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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    But lets look at the facts:
    Yes. Let's review your facts

    1) Zimmerman got out the car looking for trouble.
    False. The fact is he was trying to keep a suspicious person under observation until the police arrived.
    That is not looking for trouble.



    2) It wasn't racially motivated????
    An unconfirmed claim. Not fact.

    He claims that these ***holes always get away it
    You have no actual idea what he meant by that, only what you believe he meant.


    and you he called Trayvon a F**king coon. Yeah he was color blind
    An unconfirmed claim. Not fact.

    3) Okay lets say they were fighting. The eye witness saw the fight in progress, but who started the fight???? Was Trayvon defending himself from this wanna be cop who felt he had to harass this kid for being "a f**king coon".
    Besides being hyperbole and supposition - Not a fact.



    But you know what, at the end of the day, a father is without a son, a mother is without a son, he will never graduate high school, he will never go to college, he will never get married, he will never have kids. And according to you it was justified....

    Perhaps you need to ask yourself a question. What if Trayvon was your kid gun down by Zimmerman? Would you say it was justified? would you defend Zimmerman? What would you do? People want to say that this case is not about race. Really??? If he was a white kid with the same clothes on, would Zimmerman have followed him? Would that kid still be alive today?

    Emotion has no bearing on guilt or innocence here.



    Would that kid still be alive today?
    If he had stayed out of Zimmerman's sights after he "lost" him or had not attacked or confronted him from behind - most likely.

    In reality you have no "facts" to speak of.
    Perhaps you should take your own advice and do some more research.

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    As a member I am as relevant as you are.
    No. You're as relevant as any other 3 day old newbie on this forum.

    But I understand.
    You clearly don't. See, you're under the impression that all members are equal. This is not the case. There's a hierarchy. Your only purpose on this forum is to waste bandwidth. That's it.

    A person who can not defend their position engages in dismissive behavior.
    Dismissing someone out-of-hand is one of those actions.

    But instead of engaging in dishonest hyperbole, you could show people just how relevant your position is by arguing it, but then again you will bring it right back to dismissal because you are unable to defend it, wont you?
    Oh my! Are you pretending to be Captain Courtesy? The whole psychoanalyst shtick isn't really your thing. You get dismissed because you typed a 1 word as a respone to what I said. Not because I can't defend my possition. Come at me with something relevant then maybe I'll care? No? I didn't think so. K thanks bye.
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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Geraldo is a Libertarian. He is anything buy liberal. He's far more aligned to your whack job party than anything else. And of course, he works for your favorite Kool Aid Stand. Fake News.
    Uh, yeah! Keep dreaming. Geraldo is a Libbo from waaaaaay back.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I like wearing hoodies.
    I wouldn't say it is so much the wearing of a hoodie, but in how it is worn.
    He did a bad job of making a good point. The point he was making, is that young people--especially black teenagers--should think about the presentation that they're making when they're in public. Bascially, if they look like a thug, they're probably going to be viewed as a thug and will be treated like a thug.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He did a bad job of making a good point. The point he was making, is that young people--especially black teenagers--should think about the presentation that they're making when they're in public. Bascially, if they look like a thug, they're probably going to be viewed as a thug and will be treated like a thug.
    We do not execute people in this country because we do not like the way they dress.

    Or at least we should not if we believe in the law.
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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ...You are a partisan hack with blinders on, Sorry you don't see it, All cable news is equally bad. CNN and that indian guy, is just plain boring...
    the irony, is thick.

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He did a bad job of making a good point. The point he was making, is that young people--especially black teenagers--should think about the presentation that they're making when they're in public. Bascially, if they look like a thug, they're probably going to be viewed as a thug and will be treated like a thug.
    No. They shouldn't. They shouldn't think about presentation any more than white kids with mohawks or Latin kids with tattoos. They should be allowed to walk dressed however and wherever the **** they choose without fearing some dickhead will walk up to them with a gun. Clothing do not a criminal make and it's ridiculous prejudices like yours that are what got Trayvon killed to begin with.
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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Perhaps you need to do more research.

    Witness in Trayvon Martin murder fingers police - YouTube

    Look I get it. A black teen shot is always justified right? I mean our lives are not valuable to you anyway. I bet if Trayvon was a dog, Zimmerman would be in jail right now. I am sadden by a lot of people defending this guy like he is some kind of victim. But lets look at the facts:

    1) Zimmerman got out the car looking for trouble. Trayvon was minding his own business walking to his father's house who is by the way a resident in that community. It very ironic that Zimmerman gun down the one that he was suppose to protecting.

    2) It wasn't racially motivated???? Just listen to his 911 call. He claims that these ***holes always get away it and you he called Trayvon a F**king coon. Yeah he was color blind

    3) Okay lets say they were fighting. The eye witness saw the fight in progress, but who started the fight???? Was Trayvon defending himself from this wanna be cop who felt he had to harass this kid for being "a f**king coon".

    But you know what, at the end of the day, a father is without a son, a mother is without a son, he will never graduate high school, he will never go to college, he will never get married, he will never have kids. And according to you it was justified....

    Perhaps you need to ask yourself a question. What if Trayvon was your kid gun down by Zimmerman? Would you say it was justified? would you defend Zimmerman? What would you do? People want to say that this case is not about race. Really??? If he was a white kid with the same clothes on, would Zimmerman have followed him? Would that kid still be alive today?

    Well, for starters we can look at the bolded lines and I can ask you to stop putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about my viewpoint.

    I've already said, several times, that Zimmerman's claim to self-defense, under current law, could be called into question because it looks like he initiated the confrontation. That puts him in a bad light.

    Second, not everyone agrees that Zimmerman said "coon" on the phone, it isn't certain. Even if he did, that in itself doesn't necessarily make this a hate crime alone.

    Third, there are two eyewitnesses that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman suffered injuries. This tends to support Zimmerman's self-defense claim.


    Personally I think the local DA/solicitor whoever was in error in not preferring some kind of charges and letting Zimmerman have his day in court to justify his actions. As I've said elsewhere, I'm not sure what the outcome of that would be, I am not assuming I have all the info that is available.

    I've tried to make some of the info that IS, available to those in this thread who seem to be ignoring or unaware that there was a fight and at one point Martin was on top and injured Zimmerman. That's all.

    Unlike you I am not rushing to judgement of either Zimmerman or Martin. I'll await the results of the investigation thanks.

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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Sure i am. that's why I am blaming Geraldo for his inane comments. There's some pretzel logic. Typical right wing reasoning. Twist it and twist it some more.

    Weak, very weak...
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    Re: Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible As Shooter

    based on lots of evidence from Zimmerman's past, we have GOOD REASON to question his motives & state of mind in this case.

    It is perfectly logical to assume that Zimmerman, saw Martin as an excuse to once again be a wanna-be cop, a one-man defense force, a Dirty Harry without a badge.

    he persued Martin in a car. he pursued Martin on foot. he called him an "asshole" & a ****ing punk (or coon) on the phone with the police.

    clearly, this man was looking to start some ****. and he started it.

    based on all of this, I believe that 17 year old Martin, in a strange neighborhood, walking home to his father's house, had a legitimate reason to be fearful, and to stand his ground against Zimmerman. If Zimmerman did indeed approcach Martin, after following him both on foot and in a car, then Martin had the legal right to react with violence to defend himself.

    he did not have to run away. he had every right to push Zimmerman if Zimmerman did indeed approach him.

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