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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    An Anniversary is ONE YEAR - NO MORE, NO LESS.

    How in bloody hell did the trend of calling events months, not not exactly 1 year after an event, anniversaries even start?
    It probably has something to do with the:

    "Definition of ANNIVERSARY

    1: the annual recurrence of a date marking a notable event; broadly : a date that follows such an event by a specified period of time measured in units other than years <the 6-month anniversary of the accident>"

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    I worry and wonder about a movement or organization, that celebrates its "6-month" anniversary.

    Are they just celebrating still being in existence?

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I worry and wonder about a movement or organization, that celebrates its "6-month" anniversary.

    Are they just celebrating still being in existence?
    I once had a girlfriend...celebrated our 6-month anniversary...went to dinner in a VERY classy restaurant...had a great time. Unfortunately, we didn't quite make it to our 7-month anniversary.
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    When we take your points and narrow them down we can see just what you are trying to do here.
    What am i trying to do?

    Telling me that I am crazy and equating me to glenn beck is an attempt to discredit me instead of my assertions.
    Your assertions are crazy.
    "Oh know they have a fist it must mean they are all socialist. Oh no they have a five pointed star, that must mean its the communist red start which must mean they are communists. Its all commi propaganda"...

    And trying to imply that I am stupid is more of the same ad hominem attack.
    Ok

    Which means that you have nothing.
    Other than to point out your ludicrous claims.

    Now on top of that ad hominem you added a propagandist line that is going around in the Leftist crowds.
    Which line was that?
    Power to the people?
    Workers of the world unite?
    Aint no power like the power of the people?
    This is what democracy looks like?
    Solidarity forever?

    The idea is to get a debater to admit that they "hate" ows.
    I can kinda see you already do....

    After that small admission is acquired you comeback with (or just leave it implied) that the ows 'haters' hate ows because they are trying to make the 1% unaccountable. Thus making the 'hater' either a 1%'er or a useful idiot of the 1%.
    No.
    I dont think you are part of the "1%"...

    The idea is to marginalize and mark anyone opposed to the Leftist movement as the enemy.
    No i just dont think you udnerstand the movement or for some reason you are trying to point out some subliminal advisement conspiracy behind it... You know kinda how Glenn Beck freaked out because the Egyptian revolution people used the black fist as their symbol...


    You may have nothing to add, but I do.
    Ok, ol righteous one.


    In Marxist theory the bourgeoisie is portrayed as exploiting the proletariat.
    Ok

    Meaning that the working class are being exploited by the Capitalist class.
    Ok

    Now lets apply that concept to the occupy movement.
    Ok

    "The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%."
    This is the main concept of the occupy movement. What they have done is change proletariat to 99% and bourgeoisie to 1%. So lets see how that sounds now.
    Ohhh ahhh you really have something here

    "The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The proletariat that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the bourgeoisie."


    Bourgeoisie as defined by Marxism means the Capitalist class.
    No ****

    And the proletariat meaning the working class that works for the bourgeoisie class.
    Good job!

    Marxism is designed to turn the proletariat (99%) against the bourgeoisie (1%) so that the first phase can be accomplished.
    What is the first phase?
    Feudalism then to capitalism then to socialism then to dictator of the proletariat then to communism

    That first phase is to topple Capitalism by turning the workers (who represent the largest portion of an industrial countries population. Which basic group manipulation.
    After capitalism yes that is it. A violent revolution. Where the workers gain class consciousness organize and take up arms against the capitalist class. Topple society establish socialism then the dictatorship of the proletariat.. I think OWS has a long way to go. I mean they dont even have guns yet!

    The idea is to get a group to blame a small section of that group for everything wrong in the world.
    They are blaming them because the banks and the corporations caused the financial mess we are in. Would you say they are wrong on that point?

    The group is first told that everyone is equal and deserves to have what everyone else has.
    I would love to see where they say "we are all free and equal and deserve what everyone else has!"


    Then the group is told that certain individuals have more than their share.
    Ok.. Yes

    The group then acts as an collective
    No **** they are a movement

    to get their share out of the individuals that were greedy.
    Raise taxes? Put them on trial? Bring back Glass Stegal?

    In this group mentality the concept of personal liberty does not exist.
    Have you been there to the movement?


    Everyone must share their wealth or the group will take it away.
    What?

    By creating a society that exists as an collective Marx removed what he reasoned was the largest threat to his philosophy of socialism, the individual.
    Sure the camps are considered a "collective", but im pretty sure when you have a movement and everyone is camping out that is probably the smartest way to organize the structure of the camp....


    Hence why the occupy movement is leaderless.
    Its leaderless because decisions are made at a general assembly via direct democracy....

    The idea is for the protesters to act as a group in order to take back their share from the individuals within the group that have more.


    There cannot be a leader in a Marxist movement.
    So you still think the movement is Marxist because they make decisions at a general assembly, and use direct democracy?

    Which brings me back to the hammer and sickle and a star.
    Ok my signarture?
    How does my signature deal with OWS?
    See you think its a conspiracy?

    You did not go any further with those symbols because you realized where I was going.
    What that i believe that two workers groups should unite to make their demands?

    I kept relating those symbols with the Soviet flag in order to get you to tell me what those symbols stand for.
    Unity?

    So you tried to just say that they stand for Socialism.
    I said they stood for unity, the worker and the farmer uniting and socialism....

    In part you were correct. But then you tried to move us away from the point showing that you did not want to go any further knowing where i was going.
    You were not going anywhere...

    The hammer and sickle and red star together are the symbol for Marxism.
    Uhh i guess it could be... Many Marxists use the symbol sure... MAny people use that symbol.

    SO when you are talking about Socialism you are really talking about Marxism.
    Uhh no.

    And Marxism defines socialism as a stage before communism.
    Uhh no.
    The dicatorship of the proletariat is the stage before communism

    So an Marxist movement aims to take over a nation that is not Marxist by design of its Constitution.
    Sure. The communist maniefsto, Das Kapital, the writing of Marx and Engels...


    Now are you going to debate these facts or continue with your attempts to marginalize me? Do you really have anything to add to this conversation?
    I still dont see what your point is... .
    You went on to try to unconver that the OWS is Marxist because they make decisions collectivly but back in reality many organizations make decisions collectivly so does that make them all Marxist as well?


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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Hey dem, why do you support such a violent group?
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Hey dem, why do you support such a violent group?
    I support them and have spent time with them and the only violence I witnesses was from the police and the people hired to incite violence...don't believe everything you read...

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Hey dem, why do you support such a violent group?
    Most of the protesters have been non-violent.

    "Rick Hampton for USA Today said the vast majority of occupy members have been nonviolent.[93] Reviewing the global movement in December 2011, Anthony Barnett said its nonviolence remained an immense strength."

    Occupy movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Many of the Occupy groups across the nation are now requiring members to sign a resolution of non-violence as a response to some violent acts by anarchists, and are providing increased training in non-violence. Spring non-violence training gearing up:


    NEW YORK — "Activists inspired by Occupy Wall Street are gearing up for spring training. They say they will teach thousands of people to lead nonviolent protests aimed at reinvigorating the spirit of the movement against economic inequality.

    The effort, dubbed 99 Percent Spring, includes sessions in all 50 states from April 9 to 15.

    "People are really suffering and feel like they've been walked over," said George Goehl, executive director of the National People's Action. "This spring, they're going to stand up and more directly expose the crisis that most Americans are facing and bring it to those who created it."

    A cross-section of the country — from carpenters and stay-at-home moms to business people, students and farmers — has signed up for hundreds of sessions organized by more than 60 activist groups and the nation's largest unions.

    A key issue is the power of corporations over working-class Americans, said Goehl, whose Chicago-based National People's Action represents a network of grassroots groups.

    Forty companies will be targeted, with protesters showing up and trying to block annual shareholder meetings. The biggest such action is planned for the Bank of America meeting in Charlotte, N.C., a month before the Democratic National Convention starts there.

    Larry Cohen, president of the Communications Workers of America, says his union will train at least 2,000 members to emulate the nonviolent methods of U.S. farm worker and civil rights activist Cesar Chavez and Indian independence leader Mohandas Gandhi."

    Occupy-inspired activists prep for spring training - WSJ.com
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Hey dem, why do you support such a violent group?
    98% of the group is non violent. Sense you see some riots on TV and under the clip you see on TV it reads "OWS Riot" that must mean that all of OWS is violent and that the violence was started by them right?
    The only violence i see from them is the small 2% of the group who are the black bloc anarchists who hijack the group for media attention. The only violence i see is the police beating the **** out of people for non-violently protesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonI View Post
    I support them and have spent time with them and the only violence I witnesses was from the police and the people hired to incite violence...don't believe everything you read...



    Really? Which protest? I saw zucotti and it was more like a drug and sex party not unlike a phish concert.
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ...I saw zucotti and it was more like a drug and swx party not unlike a phish concert.
    a what???????

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