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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yes, there are Occupy leaders. They organize the protests, start and run the websites, write for the Occupy Wall Street Journal, speak on panels about the Occupy movement, etc. I agree with you that the majority of OWS protesters don't want to eliminate capitalism. But the people with the real microphones do.
    Everyone has duties and responsibilities but no one speaks for the group. Have you looked at the demands by the Occupy Maine group, the only Occupy group yet to issue concrete demands?

    Do you see anything that is is anti-captilistic in them?

    "National Demands

    ! We demand an end to corporate personhood.
    ! We demand the removal of private interests from public policy and the instatement of publicly funded elections.
    ! We demand a progressive tax on the wealthy and the elimination of tax loopholes.
    ! We demand re-regulation of financial institutions and the prosecution of financial criminals.
    ! We demand the return of Bank and investment firm bailout money to the People
    ! We demand an end to capital punishment.
    ! We demand the restoration of “sound” money and competition in currency.

    Local Demands

    ! We demand affordable heating oil for Mainers.
    ! We demand bringing the men and women of the Maine National Guard home.
    ! We demand amending corporate personhood.
    ! We demand viable public transportation infrastructure."

    Occupy Maine Issues Concrete Demands | Irregular Times
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    Fools or not, OWS is right about one thing: Wall street needs downsizing. Lots of it. It's not rocket science. They have all the money. Asking the rest of us to pay is beyond ludicrous. When a man has surplus, and his neighbor lacks, there's something to fix.
    Those of you who babble about how families with less money are like that because they're lazy, get out. GET OUT! try living off an annual household income of 20K or less, with a full time job, and possibly an extra job or two on the side. The 1% don't need all that money, don't use all that money, and certainly haven't earned it. Before I hear any remarks about whining for money, let me say this: This is protesting, not whining. We're not begging for you to give us your money, we're asking you to give back money to society. The simple truth about the economy: There's enough money out there for everyone to have a wage to sustain themselves on. When one has more wage then they need, someone else doesn't have enough. When Wall Street hoards the money for themselves, they're keeping the rest of us from getting the money we need.
    So, socialism.

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Everyone has duties and responsibilities but no one speaks for the group. Have you looked at the demands by the Occupy Maine group, the only Occupy group yet to issue concrete demands?

    Do you see anything that is is anti-captilistic in them?

    "National Demands

    ! We demand an end to corporate personhood.
    ! We demand the removal of private interests from public policy and the instatement of publicly funded elections.
    ! We demand a progressive tax on the wealthy and the elimination of tax loopholes.
    ! We demand re-regulation of financial institutions and the prosecution of financial criminals.
    ! We demand the return of Bank and investment firm bailout money to the People
    ! We demand an end to capital punishment.
    ! We demand the restoration of “sound” money and competition in currency.

    Local Demands

    ! We demand affordable heating oil for Mainers.
    ! We demand bringing the men and women of the Maine National Guard home.
    ! We demand amending corporate personhood.
    ! We demand viable public transportation infrastructure."

    Occupy Maine Issues Concrete Demands | Irregular Times
    Well duh, yeah. Most of that is anti capitalist, but lets just take the obvious one, 'affordable heating oil'. This implies govt artificially setting a price for a commodity. Price controls are as anti-capitalist as you can get. Progressive taxation is also anti capitalist as it targets those with capital, taking their property without just compensation.

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    1. Yes, I do. High School. My wage is 0$ an hour. I would like a raise, but I somehow doubt that'll be happening.
    2. ...
    3. Giving money to people, and giving back to society aren't the same thing, you know.
    Give back to society, and people obtain the money in their wages. You do know why we have taxes, right? It's the cost of being an American. Higher taxes are the cost of being a wealthy American. If you don't like it, then you can always switch to being a regular American.
    You're young. Maybe you haven't heard that your sort of thinking has been expressed before...and it has fallen by the wayside.

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    Now, I suggest you consider these words carefully. Do you agree with them? Do you think the concept described in these lyrics is doable?

    I contend these words are not very different than your own.
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Lol, we've heard the socialist losers saying that line for decades now. The Revolution is always just around the corner. What a larf.

    OWS is toast. They had fifteen of brief media attention and they blew it. They've nothing of note except get arrested and annoy the living bejeezus out of the businesses around them. They have no power, no real support and the only people paying attention to them are the police.

    Who gives a tinkers cuss about OWS anymore?
    I've never heard that expression before...I like it.
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    ! We demand an end to corporate personhood.


    ! We demand the removal of private interests from public policy and the instatement of publicly funded elections.
    Oh wonderfull.

    ! We demand a progressive tax on the wealthy and the elimination of tax loopholes.
    Ohhhh, how would it be "progress" when the rich are being taxed to death?

    ! We demand re-regulation of financial institutions and the prosecution of financial criminals.
    You mean George Soros? The 1%er who funds the Occupy movement?

    ! We demand the return of Bank and investment firm bailout money to the People
    How about just no bailouts?

    ! We demand an end to capital punishment.
    So your commie friends on death row stay alive to give you advice???????

    ! We demand the restoration of “sound” money and competition in currency.

    ! We demand affordable heating oil for Mainers.
    Come on! The govt can't afford poop.

    ! We demand bringing the men and women of the Maine National Guard home.
    Then who would be left in the Maine National Guard?

    ! We demand amending corporate personhood.


    ! We demand viable public transportation infrastructure."
    Come on! These are such silly demands.
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    Over the next four years the economy will continue to rebound and we will gradually get deficits under control. The real esate market will rebound, unemployment will fall to 6.5% or below, and GDP growth will stand at 3.5 - 4%. We won't be in any wars. And conservatives will still be whining.

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Everyone has duties and responsibilities but no one speaks for the group. Have you looked at the demands by the Occupy Maine group, the only Occupy group yet to issue concrete demands?

    Do you see anything that is is anti-captilistic in them?

    "National Demands

    ! We demand an end to corporate personhood.
    ! We demand the removal of private interests from public policy and the instatement of publicly funded elections.
    ! We demand a progressive tax on the wealthy and the elimination of tax loopholes.
    ! We demand re-regulation of financial institutions and the prosecution of financial criminals.
    ! We demand the return of Bank and investment firm bailout money to the People
    ! We demand an end to capital punishment.
    ! We demand the restoration of “sound” money and competition in currency.

    Local Demands

    ! We demand affordable heating oil for Mainers.
    ! We demand bringing the men and women of the Maine National Guard home.
    ! We demand amending corporate personhood.
    ! We demand viable public transportation infrastructure."

    Occupy Maine Issues Concrete Demands | Irregular Times
    Oh yea I see why they should not list any demands now. Heating oil lol I guess they like oil?

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    The school year ends with the coming of summer.
    Nice weather begins with the coming of summer.
    People tend to be more tolerant of being outside with the coming of nice weather.
    No, it doesn't seem odd.
    You're making an awful big jump to a conclusion, Fiddy.
    I'm saying it's a dumb time to encourage students not to do school or work. I know you are still in high school, but the last few weeks before the semester ends is just the worst time to abandon attention to academics. Deadlines, deadlines, deadlines.
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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    we're asking you to give back money to society.
    Thanks for asking. My hope is that the response is simple...a giant middle finger to those that believe money is "societies" rather than an individuals. Or more to the point, that somehow those that have money are somehow exterior to "society".

    You live in the United States. So does the "1%". Congratulations, you're both part of the same society and the money is already within said society.

    You're not asking that it be given BACK to society...you're whining that it should be given to those in society who YOU deem should have it.

    When one has more wage then they need, someone else doesn't have enough.
    The purpose of the US government is not to deem how much money people "need" nor to provide people with money that they need.

    To be perfectly frank, I'd rather those Bitching about the mean old 1% to pick up and move their ass to one of the dozens of other countries whose mentality of what government should be fits their entitled depenedenent mentality rather than ****ting upon the social contract this country was founded on

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    Re: Occupy 6-Month Anniversary Protest Ends With Zuccotti Park Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    1. Yes, I do. High School. My wage is 0$ an hour. I would like a raise, but I somehow doubt that'll be happening.
    Sorry, that's not a job.

    3. Giving money to people, and giving back to society aren't the same thing, you know.
    Give back to society, and people obtain the money in their wages. You do know why we have taxes, right? It's the cost of being an American. Higher taxes are the cost of being a wealthy American. If you don't like it, then you can always switch to being a regular American.
    Sorry, but you and the wealthy are both simply "Americans". Perhaps they have no educated you on this fact, but there is no official special desgination in this country for "Wealthy american" or "regular American". There is nothing that states one can not be wealthy and a "regular American". Those who are "wealthy" also, already, by and large do pay a higher percentage of their wealth in taxes than many people and unquestionably provide more dollars to how you define society, AKA government (which GOD that explains sooooo much of your mindset now that its clear that you consider those things one in the same), then those who are not "wealthy"...regardless of what arbitrary measure you deem to use as your definition of "wealthy" (Which is in and of itself a completely subjective and opinion based terminology)

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