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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I thought we were working on the assumption that he was convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt'. So I repeat, what would he have had to have done to receive the maximum sentence?
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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Kill Americans...
    Now someone who has been on the other side in Afghanistan has allegedly killed Jewish children it will all, doubtless be cancelled out, as the extreme-rightist explain that it is the nature of war, just as the 123 children killed by the Palestine Reistance so clearly justify the 2,000-odd Christian and Muslim children killed over the last ten years by the zionists gunmen. It's a matter of POWER, you see.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Turns out there's more to this 'poor soldier traumatized by war' than we were first told.

    Lawyer describes talk with Afghan killings suspect - Yahoo! News

    Set them on fire?

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    This man should never have been sent back over there. Whoever sent him back is responsible.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Absolute nonsense. He is responsible. He pulled the trigger. He killed babies and women. He apparently set some of them on fire. This constant litany of excuses and 'blame the other guy/society/a poor home life/whoever sent him there is just crap.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Absolute nonsense. He is responsible. He pulled the trigger. He killed babies and women. He apparently set some of them on fire. This constant litany of excuses and 'blame the other guy/society/a poor home life/whoever sent him there is just crap.
    It's not crap, but I think, basically, it has to be the way we see these things. The US is racist, capitalist and irresponsible, and it uses (as do may countries) poor and not-very-bright people as tools to get profit for the very rich, but, when you come down to it, this is always so nowadays. My Grandfather went through the First War, at least from 1915, in the trenches. but he - though he turned into a miserable old burgher - never actually murdered anyone, especially children. We know who is ultimately responsible, but we can't prosecute them. Meanwhile, we remain responsible at least for our own actions, or everything breaks down in chaos.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Absolute nonsense. He is responsible. He pulled the trigger. He killed babies and women. He apparently set some of them on fire. This constant litany of excuses and 'blame the other guy/society/a poor home life/whoever sent him there is just crap.
    He did make a choice, but I have the same opinion with this case that I do with most cases of extreme violence including that of our enemies. My opinion is that choice alone does not explain such violent actions. Yes, he made a choice to kill all of those innocent people. However, every choice has causes. His deployments, what he saw on those deployments, his brain surgery and any underlying mental health problems might have and likely did contribute to this. Whether you like it or not, choices are impacted, and perhaps determined, by things outside of our control.

    I do, however, agree with you that using the explanation and understanding of those things to excuse his behavior or feel overwhelmingly bad for him is wrongheaded. To be honest, some of the comments that express so much sympathy towards him without even a mention of the people he killed make me feel a bit sick even though I consider the loss of his free life in addition to the effect this will have on his family to be pretty sad.

    However, none of this means that the things people have talked about from multiple deployments to mental health aren't valid and important explanations for his behavior. It's true that most soldiers don't go on these rampages which is why Bales' behavior should not be excused or written off as "too many deployments", but it's still important to acknowledge whatever factors did influence his decision so that we can eliminate them and prevent future events like this from happening.
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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    I don't care why he made the choice. He made it. He's responsible. To rationalize his actions based on deployments or what he saw or anything else is an insult to every soldier who's gone through what he went through and probably worse and didn't resort to baby-killing as his stress reliever.

    And as for the 'evil capitalistic society' using him to do its dirty work, just more crap and BS. And another excuse for a little America bashing.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I don't care why he made the choice. He made it. He's responsible. To rationalize his actions based on deployments or what he saw or anything else is an insult to every soldier who's gone through what he went through and probably worse and didn't resort to baby-killing as his stress reliever.

    And as for the 'evil capitalistic society' using him to do its dirty work, just more crap and BS. And another excuse for a little America bashing.
    I'm not rationalizing his actions. In fact, I did the exact opposite so you maybe you can stop being reactionary and actually read what I said.

    I'm saying that actions are caused partially by things outside of our control. If his deployments or a mental disorder or anything else contributed to his choices, then don't you think we should acknowledge that in order to prevent stuff like this from happening in the future?

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Gosh, and to think we fought World War II with guys only being deployed once. Of course it lasted until the end of the war.

    No more excuses. No more 'blame somebody/something else.

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