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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Wow! What would he have to have done to get the maximum sentence?
    Possibly a crime in which there is tangible evidence that he did it?

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    amazing is your silly cheap shot at Billy the Kid who makes a great point.
    Really - what great point was that? That we should expect every soldier who's had multiple tours of duty to go on a baby-murdering rampage? That we should feel sorry for those who do, and to hell with their victims?

    Yeah. Great point.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This guy will either spend the rest of his life in prison, or he will be executed. If he is executed, fingers from across the pond will waggle in disapproval as well.

    Nobody has justified what this man did, not even the man himself. To that point, he was a brilliant, well-respected and highly-decorated soldier, serving honorably for 11 years. He suffered multiple injuries over the course of his four deployments, and his extended absence caused his family severe financial problems. The man snapped. For some reason, a few hours after seeing a buddy's leg blown off before his eyes, this sergeant experienced some kind of acute mental breakdown and committed a horrific mass murder of innocent civilians.

    If y'all can't allow us to discuss how these decades' old wars are affecting our soldiers without characteristic British snideness so frequently directed at us and our military, then at least be respectful enough to say nothing at all.
    British snideness? I'm as American as you are - maybe more so because I gave this country four years of my life serving in that military that you profess to love so much. What this murdering animal did is an insult to every GI who has worn the uniform and managed not to become a baby killer.

    And this guy's personal history isn't nearly as all-american as you would like.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    British snideness? I'm as American as you are - maybe more so because I gave this country four years of my life serving in that military that you profess to love so much. What this murdering animal did is an insult to every GI who has worn the uniform and managed not to become a baby killer.

    And this guy's personal history isn't nearly as all-american as you would like.

    Apologies, I thought you had previously claimed to have been born in the UK. I stand by my comments. If you are entitled to snipe at other posters, then I am entitled to snipe at you.

    As for Bales, I only know what I heard on CNN interviews with people familiar with his service background and friends of the family. Those with whom he served are in a state of shock, and repeatedly said he was calm under fire and demanded his troops treat locals with respect. Friends of the family have said that repeated deployments and being passed over for promotion have led to severe financial problems, which may have contributed to his mental break. As this man and his family are put under a microscope, we may learn things about him that indeed should have served as a red flag to his superiors. That should be investigated thoroughly to prevent such flags from being ignored. That said, his family has been subjected to death threats and have had to be moved onto a military base for protection. Unacceptable.

    Trying to understand what caused this is NOT making excuses for him. I hope he goes to prison for life. I've said that repeatedly.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Fair enough. And yes, I was born in the UK but came to this country at a very early age. I still have relatives in the UK.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    US soldiers rarely 'get the max' for crimes committed overseas in a combat zone. Remember My lai, LT William Calley? How about the Stryker Bde 'kill team'? The Sqd Ldr who ran the team and killed 3 unarmed civilians, collecting body parts along the way, got life WITH the chance of parole in 10 years. That would be unheard of if SSG Calvin Gibbs had murdered 3 American civilians and kept body parts.

    As far as not flying Afghans in for the trial or SSG Bales having some right to confront his accusers, remember it is a Military trial. Secondly there was a buttload of expended brass recovered and an assigned weapon he surrendered at the gate. Wont take too much to convince a tribunal of military men Bales is guilty.

    But then again if an NCO who was fingered by witnesses gets life with the chance of parole who knows what another one gets with no US serviceman as witness.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    The guy is already claiming he can't remember the killings.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    The guy is already claiming he can't remember the killings.
    He doesn't have to. They've got him on film leaving the base and returning to the base. They've got his weapon. They've got expended rounds from the scene of the massacre. They've got his confession. All his defense team has left is claiming he was mentally insane during the incident. That's not going to go over well in a courts martial. Military folk tend to frown on "the devil made me do it" defense.
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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    He doesn't have to. They've got him on film leaving the base and returning to the base. They've got his weapon. They've got expended rounds from the scene of the massacre. They've got his confession. All his defense team has left is claiming he was mentally insane during the incident. That's not going to go over well in a courts marshal. Military folk tend to frown on "the devil made me do it" defense.
    He's saying it to strengthen his case. The poor beast.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Possibly a crime in which there is tangible evidence that he did it?
    I thought we were working on the assumption that he was convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt'. So I repeat, what would he have had to have done to receive the maximum sentence?
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