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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    I heard on the radio this could be a tough case to get a conviction because the only witnesses are in Afghanistan and trying to get them here to testify would be impossible...I'm sure the defense will find a way to use this....I sincerely hope this isn't the case because if it is, it will only put the rest of the troops over there in more danger...

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    They should've shut the gates and left him to the mufti.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    If y'all can't allow us to discuss how these decades' old wars are affecting our soldiers without characteristic British snideness so frequently directed at us and our military, then at least be respectful enough to say nothing at all.
    That's an unfair comment and not worthy of you, DiAnna. I don't think Manc's comment is snide at all. I think he means it. Wiggen, as far as I'm aware, is not British.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That's an unfair comment and not worthy of you, DiAnna. I don't think Manc's comment is snide at all. I think he means it. Wiggen, as far as I'm aware, is not British.
    I respectfully disagree, Andy. I've shared political forums with Manc for many years. When he wants to, he can make drive-by snideness an art form. If I've misunderstood either of the posts I quoted, the writers are more than welcome to clarify what they really meant versus my interpretation of what I read.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I respectfully disagree, Andy. I've shared political forums with Manc for many years. When he wants to, he can make drive-by snideness an art form. If I've misunderstood either of the posts I quoted, the writers are more than welcome to clarify what they really meant versus my interpretation of what I read.
    Well, we must have had different experiences of dealing with him. I've always found him to be decent and sensible and not prone to baiting or flaming. Wiggen, not so much. I really don't think he's a Brit, but he is on my iggy.

    Back on the topic, I really don't want to judge or sentence the guy before all the facts come. That doesn't just mean I don't want people rush to condemn and call for the death penalty. I don't want that, but I'm also made uncomfortable by certain posters and certain media outlets that seem to be rushing to mitigate his actions and shift the blame elsewhere. It's too soon for that too. I can understand the instinct to protect one's own but this incident I think goes way beyond respect for the military and patriotic closing of ranks. Personally I'd like to see him tried by the International Criminal Court which would offer both Americans and, more importantly in this case, Afghans some semblance of confidence that the eventual verdict will not be politically manipulated.
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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, we must have had different experiences of dealing with him. I've always found him to be decent and sensible and not prone to baiting or flaming. Wiggen, not so much. I really don't think he's a Brit, but he is on my iggy.

    Back on the topic, I really don't want to judge or sentence the guy before all the facts come. That doesn't just mean I don't want people rush to condemn and call for the death penalty. I don't want that, but I'm also made uncomfortable by certain posters and certain media outlets that seem to be rushing to mitigate his actions and shift the blame elsewhere. It's too soon for that too. I can understand the instinct to protect one's own but this incident I think goes way beyond respect for the military and patriotic closing of ranks. Personally I'd like to see him tried by the International Criminal Court which would offer both Americans and, more importantly in this case, Afghans some semblance of confidence that the eventual verdict will not be politically manipulated.
    Nope, never happen. No NATO nation with soldiers serving in a war zone would allow a renegade soldier to be tried on foreign soil, subject to foreign laws. Nobody in this thread is trying to protect Bales. He will never see the light of day outside a prison again, and may very well be executed for his horrific crimes. We were just trying to understand what makes a 11-year decorated war veteran go bat**** insane, when he's never shown anything but soft-spoken respect for the citizens of both countries to which he has been deployed.

    I thought, and still think, we are entitled to that discussion without condescending or snide remarks implying that we care more about our soldier than all the innocent lives that he took. I stand by my earlier post in that regard.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    [QUOTE=DiAnna;1060313101]Nope, never happen. No NATO nation with soldiers serving in a war zone would allow a renegade soldier to be tried on foreign soil, subject to foreign laws. [quote]
    Probably not. I think it's a shame that NATO combatants aren't held to the same standards as their opponents.
    He will never see the light of day outside a prison again, and may very well be executed for his horrific crimes.
    Maybe, maybe not. No proof in Afghan massacre.
    when he's never shown anything but soft-spoken respect for the citizens of both countries to which he has been deployed.
    I hadn't read that. Link?

    I thought, and still think, we are entitled to that discussion without condescending or snide remarks implying that we care more about our soldier than all the innocent lives that he took. I stand by my earlier post in that regard.
    You stand by your anti-British snipe when you take exception to just one British poster's remark?
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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That's an unfair comment and not worthy of you, DiAnna. I don't think Manc's comment is snide at all. I think he means it. Wiggen, as far as I'm aware, is not British.
    I can assure you he is not British. He's a US Veteran by the way.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    The reason why NATO troops are not tried in the host country is a status of forces agreement that forbids it. Some SOFs allow it in very rare instances, for decades sailor and marine rapists were flown quickly out of Okinawa for trail stateside. I escorted a soldier to the airport after he served a few years in a German jail for rape, he was to finish his sentence in Leavenworth.

    A big reason we withdrew so quickly from Iraq is the Iraqis refused to extend the SOF so out we came.

    Now this E-6 has a few red flags in his past. Apparently he schemed some retiree out of his life's savings before ducking into the army.

    He had to attend anger management classes so some assault charge would be dropped.

    A BIG red flag for those who have served is his being past over for promotion. Decorated veterans, wounded in combat and having served multiple tours as a rule don't get passed over for promotion. Something happened.

    Finally a Military Courts Martial isn't much like a civilian court. There judges are serving officers with an option a token senior NCO to sit in judgement. They can be incredibly harsh or lenient. Past history would lean toward if found guilty not receiving the max.

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    Re: Brutal-the Killer of 16 is from a nearby Town

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Past history would lean toward if found guilty not receiving the max.
    Wow! What would he have to have done to get the maximum sentence?
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