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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    One can be a complete partisian, i.e. absolutely agree with every facet of conservative or liberal ideology, and not be a "hack". A hack parrots the party line, even when what he states as fact is proven false, and continues to parrot it nonetheless. A hack doesn't give a fig about truth, and will knowingly argue a falsehood just because it's a falsehood that makes his party look good or the other party look bad.

    MTP is a partisian. IMO, he is not a hack.
    Thank you that you don't think I'm a hack. However, I am not partisan. This isn't aimed at you but a general statement. I do not support any party nor will I ever as the current parties stand. I especially will not support a party that supports another day of troops in Afghanistan.
    In politics, a partisan is a committed member of a political party. In multi-party systems, the term is widely understood to carry a negative connotation - referring to those who wholly support their party's policies and are perhaps even reluctant to acknowledge correctness on the part of their political opponents in almost any situation.Partisan (political) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I haven't read the thread and I don't intent to. No person in the military and no veteran would agree with the dumbassery of telling Marines to disarm to "see" the SecDef. I promise you not more than 10 of those suffering bastards wanted to sit there and listen to the SecDef. They weren't there by choice. And NO ONE wanted to disarm.

    On another thread a month ago I said that no one can **** up a war like a politician. I've seen it first hand. The dumbasses get people killed and the folks back home often don't understand. If you want to make ****ty morale even worse just let Washington **** with the troops. In my opinion they should only assemble officers to listening to visiting dignitaries, they're more closely related.

    Seems Washington doesn't remember Marine guards humping the gates in Beirut with their weapons unloaded - as ordered. To this day it remains hard for me to believe anyone could be that goddamn stupid as to order such a thing ANYWHERE for someone humping a post, let alone a war zone. For those of you who don't know the rest of the story about 300 Marines, sailors and soldiers died as a result.

    Here we are about 25 years later and the same mindset lives. Amazing.
    All due respect sir, but I served honorably in the USN and in the reserves. I am a veteran. I have earned my opinion. And I understand it totally. But read my posts before you reply so you will know who you are addressing.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You're being over dramatic, I mean ridiculously so. It's your choice to be so offended by this instead of seeing it for exactly what it is, just a minor thing the result of a concern for the PR aspects of the mission. And that's it, what the Afghans think is a constant concern and for better or worse, right or wrong, part of the mission. I can understand the frustration, but that's the mission.
    You dont know many marines, do you?

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I haven't read the thread and I don't intent to. No person in the military and no veteran would agree with the dumbassery of telling Marines to disarm to "see" the SecDef. I promise you not more than 10 of those suffering bastards wanted to sit there and listen to the SecDef. They weren't there by choice. And NO ONE wanted to disarm.

    On another thread a month ago I said that no one can **** up a war like a politician. I've seen it first hand. The dumbasses get people killed and the folks back home often don't understand. If you want to make ****ty morale even worse just let Washington **** with the troops. In my opinion they should only assemble officers to listening to visiting dignitaries, they're more closely related.

    Seems Washington doesn't remember Marine guards humping the gates in Beirut with their weapons unloaded - as ordered. To this day it remains hard for me to believe anyone could be that goddamn stupid as to order such a thing ANYWHERE for someone humping a post, let alone in a war zone. For those of you who don't know the rest of the story about 300 Marines, sailors and soldiers died as a result.

    Here we are about 25 years later and the same mindset lives. Amazing.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I understand if we are meeting the POTUS, we lay down weapons. His office is a political one and can sew discourse in troops that don't approve of his policies. However, the SECDEF is not a political office. In fact, he is overall responsible for voicing the opinions and needs of the very people that were required to disarm to meet him!
    Err, I hate to tell you this, but the position of Secretary of Defense is a political office.

    The Secretary of Defense must be a civilian in order to ensure civilian authority of the military. This principle of civilian authority is important to Western democracies because it ensures that the military is beholden to the government.


    In order to ensure this, an individual may not be appointed as Secretary of Defense within seven years after relief from active duty as a commissioned officer of one of the military branches.

    His overall responsibility is not to voice the opinions and needs of the armed forces. Rather, his overall responsibility is to administrate over the Department of Defense on behalf of the President. Voicing the opinions of servicemen is one of the many responsibilities he has to balance, but it's not his primary responsibility.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Hey Rusty, how do you really feel?
    Note, I mostly agree.
    I feel rather calm and laid back. It's been an easy day. Why?










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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I feel rather calm and laid back. It's been an easy day. Why?
    Because tomorrow's Friday. TGIF!

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Err, I hate to tell you this, but the position of Secretary of Defense is a political office.

    The Secretary of Defense must be a civilian in order to ensure civilian authority of the military. This principle of civilian authority is important to Western democracies because it ensures that the military is beholden to the government.


    In order to ensure this, an individual may not be appointed as Secretary of Defense within seven years after relief from active duty as a commissioned officer of one of the military branches.

    His overall responsibility is not to voice the opinions and needs of the armed forces. Rather, his overall responsibility is to administrate over the Department of Defense on behalf of the President. Voicing the opinions of servicemen is one of the many responsibilities he has to balance, but it's not his primary responsibility.
    So, you would say the Secretary of State is a political office? I wouldn't say that. You very rarely see Hillary Clinton take part in politics. She does her job and her job alone. In addition, the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, Attorney General, etc are not elected offices, therefore they are not political. I don't remember the last time I heard someone say "I'm voting for X candidate because he said he'll appoint X to be SECDEF". I have also never seen anyone in those offices run for re-election. If it was political, Pres Obama would have fired Robert Gates upon taking office.
    Lastly, overall responsible doesn't mean its the only thing he's responsible for. It means he is the highest ranking official in our gov't that represents the troops, therefore OVERALL responsible.
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