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    Soldiers asked to disarm during Leon Panetta speech in Afghanistan


    Soldiers asked to disarm during Leon Panetta speech in Afghanistan

    Soldiers asked to disarm during Leon Panetta speech in Afghanistan - Telegraph


    Less than a week after a US staff sergeant allegedly massacred 16 civilians in Kandahar, American soldiers were banned from bringing guns into a talk by Mr Panetta at a base in Helmand province.

    Around 200 troops who had gathered in a tent at Camp Leatherneck were told "something had come to light" and asked abruptly to file outside and lay down their automatic rifles and 9mm pistols.


    Wow this is a first, or is it? The administration seems to think so, or do we believe it was this General?

    Major General Mark Gurganus later said he gave the order because Afghan troops attending the talk were unarmed and he wanted the policy to be consistent for all.
    "You've got one of the most important people in the world in the room," he told the New York Times, insisting that the decision was unrelated to Sunday's killings. "This is not a big deal."

    Oh, but sir, it is.

    However, US troops often remain armed even when their Afghan colleagues have been asked to lay down their weapons and the incident is believed to be the first time they were stripped of guns during an address by their own secretary of defence.

    And Mr. Panetta, who apperently doesn't trust our troops, (or if you believe it was the Genreal, he).... states:


    "We will be challenged by our enemies, we will be challenged by ourselves, we will be challenged by the hell of war itself," he said.


    Who are are enemies Mr. Panetta? your boss has said it isn't the Taliban......


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    Re: Soldiers asked to disarm during Leon Panetta speech in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ...Who are are enemies Mr. Panetta? your boss has said it isn't the Taliban......
    evidence or it never happened.

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    Re: Soldiers asked to disarm during Leon Panetta speech in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    evidence or it never happened.


    Biden said it, the "white house" i.e. the president, stands behind it.


    White House Stands By Biden Statement That Taliban Isn't U.S. Enemy | Fox News


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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

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    Re: Soldiers asked to disarm during Leon Panetta speech in Afghanistan

    The Ministry of Defence was unable to confirm reports that a small number of British troops had also been asked to put down their weapons.
    You left that part out buddy. It's not unreasonable to strip soldiers of their weapons when not in combat. I'm sure you or anyone else, myself included, can draw any number of equally logical and purely speculated reasons behind the decision, however, this does not change the fact that the only real evidence we have to go on is the statement given. And the reasoning behind their statement is not illogical.

    Furthermore, the enemies to which he was referring are not necessarily a specific entity, but rather, any enemy we may make or face.

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    Re: Soldiers asked to disarm during Leon Panetta speech in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ...Oh wait, it's you. my bad.
    what are you trying to say, Rev?

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Why is there still this jumping to conclusion that its a trust issue? There's no evidence for it, you have the official story and then you have this made up story about trust without backing. Here's my conclusion, anyone who jumps to a political convenient conclusion without any basis is just a partisan hack.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I know that some may not see this as a big deal. For someone in the military, it is huge. Carrying your personal weapon (whether a 9mm pistol, M-4, or M-16A4) while "in country" is standard. As a matter of fact, you cannot enter any messhall without a weapon. The level of distrust shown to the Marines that wanted to meet SECDEF Panetta is just another in a long line of disrespectful moves towards our military by the current administration. I understand if we are meeting the POTUS, we lay down weapons. His office is a political one and can sew discourse in troops that don't approve of his policies. However, the SECDEF is not a political office. In fact, he is overall responsible for voicing the opinions and needs of the very people that were required to disarm to meet him!
    In addition, the General that gave the order to disarm is a pinhead. Many of our General's now-a-days are out of touch, snotty, 10 pound brain types who know nothing of the dirt we chew on the ground. Many of these men have not actually fought in combat. The most combat action they have seen is of the incidental type that happens to occur on their tours of the Area of Operations (AO). These men have read a few books, been to a school or two, and declare themselves "masters of the COIN environment". Sadly, history is repeating itelf in Afghanistan. Vietnam was THE demonstration of what happens when senior officers become involved in lower level decisions. Apparently none of our General's read that in any book.
    So, what say you. Is it disrespectful for the SECDEF and Major General Gurganus to require the Marines to lay down their arms?
    Marines told to disarm before Panetta speech – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
    Considering the fact they are in a war zone every soldier,marine, airmen, seaman and DOD civilian should be armed heck even Panetta should be armed.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I think it's pretty telling when a government doesn't trust not only their citizens, but even their own soldiers to be armed in their presence.
    Yes, because as we know there is absolutely no history of American soldiers going on killing rampages in Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else. What were they thinking?

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sounds to me like MarineTP is freaking out over nothing. The article makes it sound like it was a decision made by a new general who probably wasn't familiar with protocol.
    Protocol? There is no protocol for this. That's the point. We stay armed, that's it. You and I have posted in quite a few of the same threads. When have you seen me freak out over nothing? No disrespect to anyone, but most civilians wouldn't understand the magnitude of this act. It means a lot to us. I know it may not to you guys, but it does to us. I brought this story to work today and didn't get a single positive reaction out of it.
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