Page 4 of 17 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 161

Thread: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

  1. #31
    Sage

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Texas, Vegas, Colombia
    Last Seen
    11-28-16 @ 06:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,295

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Where did you get that message? There's no basis for that opinion at all, you've been given the reason behind the decision and whether that reason was right or wrong it's NOT the reason you seem to think it is.

    Willful misinterpretation of facts, they don't fit your message so you just ignore them
    it's what DiAnna wrote in her post.... but don't let that stop you from having your bitch fit.

  2. #32
    Sage

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Texas, Vegas, Colombia
    Last Seen
    11-28-16 @ 06:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,295

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    We already know the Afghan army isn't trustworthy, because there are many incident of Afghan military and police blowing away their US trainers. Let me put it this way: Since the mutual mistrust is so high right now, and rightly so, and because they wanted to treat both countries' military the same in a show of equality for the Afghan people, I'd a helluva lot rather that they disarmed the Marines attending than allowed the Afghan soldiers attending to be armed. That's where I'm coming from.
    I got where you were coming from... it's all good.

    from a marine perspective.. it's a big ass no-no to not have my weapon within reach at all times while in theater... if there was a list of 10 Marine commandments, it would be in the top 3 for sure.
    there is a time and place for everything.. flexing political and PC muscles for a SecDef dog and pony show is not that time or place though.
    i'm perfectly fine with the afghans being disarmed and the marines retaining theirs at hand... I have absolutely zero problem with that scenario whatsoever.

    i mean, you have to consider that Marines can and do get punished for not having thier weapons with them .. even in safe areas where risk is minimum

  3. #33
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I know that some may not see this as a big deal. For someone in the military, it is huge. Carrying your personal weapon (whether a 9mm pistol, M-4, or M-16A4) while "in country" is standard. As a matter of fact, you cannot enter any messhall without a weapon. The level of distrust shown to the Marines that wanted to meet SECDEF Panetta is just another in a long line of disrespectful moves towards our military by the current administration. I understand if we are meeting the POTUS, we lay down weapons. His office is a political one and can sew discourse in troops that don't approve of his policies. However, the SECDEF is not a political office. In fact, he is overall responsible for voicing the opinions and needs of the very people that were required to disarm to meet him!
    In addition, the General that gave the order to disarm is a pinhead. Many of our General's now-a-days are out of touch, snotty, 10 pound brain types who know nothing of the dirt we chew on the ground. Many of these men have not actually fought in combat. The most combat action they have seen is of the incidental type that happens to occur on their tours of the Area of Operations (AO). These men have read a few books, been to a school or two, and declare themselves "masters of the COIN environment". Sadly, history is repeating itelf in Afghanistan. Vietnam was THE demonstration of what happens when senior officers become involved in lower level decisions. Apparently none of our General's read that in any book.
    So, what say you. Is it disrespectful for the SECDEF and Major General Gurganus to require the Marines to lay down their arms?
    Marines told to disarm before Panetta speech CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
    Not disrespectful in the least. In fact, it makes perfect sense.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

  4. #34
    Professor
    other's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    VA
    Last Seen
    01-22-14 @ 11:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,473

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    This brings back memories of the phantom rifle I used to have after I came off a deployment... Waking up in the middle of the night and freaking out because I couldn't find my rifle -- then remembering I'd turned it in to the armory days ago.

    Panetta?
    I would've taken some lance corporal's place as a gear guard.

  5. #35
    Sage

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Texas, Vegas, Colombia
    Last Seen
    11-28-16 @ 06:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,295

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    This brings back memories of the phantom rifle I used to have after I came off a deployment... Waking up in the middle of the night and freaking out because I couldn't find my rifle -- then remembering I'd turned it in to the armory days ago.

    Panetta?
    I would've taken some lance corporal's place as a gear guard.
    been there done that

  6. #36
    Dungeon Master
    Hooter Babe

    DiAnna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Northern California
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,590
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I got where you were coming from... it's all good.

    from a marine perspective.. it's a big ass no-no to not have my weapon within reach at all times while in theater... if there was a list of 10 Marine commandments, it would be in the top 3 for sure.
    there is a time and place for everything.. flexing political and PC muscles for a SecDef dog and pony show is not that time or place though.
    i'm perfectly fine with the afghans being disarmed and the marines retaining theirs at hand... I have absolutely zero problem with that scenario whatsoever.

    i mean, you have to consider that Marines can and do get punished for not having thier weapons with them .. even in safe areas where risk is minimum
    Seriously, I understand. I hate that we have to "equalize" an army that routinely slaughters us. I hate that we are there after 11 ****ing years, when we should have been able to destroy them at Tora Bora if we had implemented the power of our artillary and not had to rely on an Afghan force that basically said, "Come this way, we won't tell"...

    Our inability to shut down Al Queada's retreat into Pakistan because we didn't have enough firepower surrounding Tora Bora has led to a decade's-long involvement in a war we never should have created.

  7. #37
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,089

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I know that some may not see this as a big deal. For someone in the military, it is huge. Carrying your personal weapon (whether a 9mm pistol, M-4, or M-16A4) while "in country" is standard. As a matter of fact, you cannot enter any messhall without a weapon. The level of distrust shown to the Marines that wanted to meet SECDEF Panetta is just another in a long line of disrespectful moves towards our military by the current administration. I understand if we are meeting the POTUS, we lay down weapons. His office is a political one and can sew discourse in troops that don't approve of his policies. However, the SECDEF is not a political office. In fact, he is overall responsible for voicing the opinions and needs of the very people that were required to disarm to meet him!
    In addition, the General that gave the order to disarm is a pinhead. Many of our General's now-a-days are out of touch, snotty, 10 pound brain types who know nothing of the dirt we chew on the ground. Many of these men have not actually fought in combat. The most combat action they have seen is of the incidental type that happens to occur on their tours of the Area of Operations (AO). These men have read a few books, been to a school or two, and declare themselves "masters of the COIN environment". Sadly, history is repeating itelf in Afghanistan. Vietnam was THE demonstration of what happens when senior officers become involved in lower level decisions. Apparently none of our General's read that in any book.
    So, what say you. Is it disrespectful for the SECDEF and Major General Gurganus to require the Marines to lay down their arms?
    Marines told to disarm before Panetta speech CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
    Odd... the story over here is that it was the Afghan's who were forced to surrender their arms in their own country... so I am guessing to appease the outrage, the Generals did what a good General should do.... order their own troops also to surrender their arms, so not to offend their Afghans any more than has already has happened.
    PeteEU

  8. #38
    White trash on dope.
    d0gbreath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Denton, TX
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    8,874

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    "This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen."
    How can you teach someone the above quote, then make them useless?
    You simply do not separate the soldier from the weapon anywhere in-country, ever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


  9. #39
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    How can you teach someone the above quote, then make them useless?
    You simply do not separate the soldier from the weapon anywhere in-country, ever.
    The military also teaches you that you're a strong leader, invaluable to the military, and noble for your sacrificial actions = but routinely ditches soldiers within years of their military retirement and turns them out to the civilian world with little concern for the negative rippling effects on their psyche and familial wellbeing.

    What does this tell you? The military is really good at drilling **** into your head that make you a better weapon.

    That is their job.

    to believe the bull**** is yours.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  10. #40
    Ideologically Impure
    Simon W. Moon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Fayettenam
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:44 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    16,900
    Blog Entries
    5

    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    I may be wrong.

Page 4 of 17 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •