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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Yeah, at first I was all WTF??? Then I realized that they are trying to pacify a very angry Afghan military a few days after a US soldier murdered 16 civilians. Allowing US Marines to be armed while insisting that Afghan military be unarmed sends a "we're better and more trustworthy than you" message, which at this moment is the worst possible message to send.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, because no matter what you're hard headed. A man who was in the Army wants troops disarmed. You hit your head or something?
    I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth. I said the OP's understanding of this situation is entirely wrong, because this decision was made with the mission in mind not with the goal to disrespect Marines like the OP thinks. And I don't have to agree with the mission, this facet or it as a whole, or the decision to say it was done for that reason.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    most folks won't have an issue with it... but most Marines will.
    Do clips need to come with pacifiers now?

    One doesn't have to like orders: one just has to follow them.

    This entire situation wouldn't have been reported on if command line was in tact and thorough with this apparently given but not delivered order. . . so everyone really should be questioning why an order was given and not dissiminated rather than questioning the nature of the order itself.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Sounds to me like MarineTP is freaking out over nothing. The article makes it sound like it was a decision made by a new general who probably wasn't familiar with protocol.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yeah, at first I was all WTF??? Then I realized that they are trying to pacify a very angry Afghan military a few days after a US soldier murdered 16 civilians. Allowing US Marines to be armed while insisting that Afghan military be unarmed sends a "we're better and more trustworthy than you" message, which at this moment is the worst possible message to send.
    i'd rather send the afghan army the message that that aren't trustworthy than send that very message to our Marines.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sounds to me like MarineTP is freaking out over nothing. The article makes it sound like it was a decision made by a new general who probably wasn't familiar with protocol.
    Yeah really
    More so: these some are freaking out and wondering why everyone else isn't doing the same.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'd rather send the afghan army the message that that aren't trustworthy than send that very message to our Marines.
    We already know the Afghan army isn't trustworthy, because there are many incident of Afghan military and police blowing away their US trainers. Let me put it this way: Since the mutual mistrust is so high right now, and rightly so, and because they wanted to treat both countries' military the same in a show of equality for the Afghan people, I'd a helluva lot rather that they disarmed the Marines attending than allowed the Afghan soldiers attending to be armed. That's where I'm coming from.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's not like there haven't been troops running amok lately, and somebody welcomed him in country by driving a blazing car onto the runway when he landed. You can see why the possibility of a firefight in the hall didn't appeal.
    Good luck stopping a burning vehicle without opening fire into it to kill the driver.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'd rather send the afghan army the message that that aren't trustworthy than send that very message to our Marines.
    Where did you get that message? There's no basis for that opinion at all, you've been given the reason behind the decision and whether that reason was right or wrong it's NOT the reason you seem to think it is.

    Willful misinterpretation of facts, they don't fit your message so you just ignore them

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Do clips need to come with pacifiers now?

    One doesn't have to like orders: one just has to follow them.

    This entire situation wouldn't have been reported on if command line was in tact and thorough with this apparently given but not delivered order. . . so everyone really should be questioning why an order was given and not dissiminated rather than questioning the nature of the order itself.
    pacifiers?.. really?

    the order was given... i'm not sure where you get the idea it wasn't given.

    it was a stupid order.. Marine understand this... most will have an issue with it , then shrug and carry on.. like we always do when some twit of an officer comes up with a stupid idea.

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