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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This was done just not to offend the Afghan Soldiers there who weren't allowed to carry weapons, basically it was just a political decision to not make the Afghans feel they were different from American even though of course they are. It has NOTHING to do with trust.

    Clearly you didn't actually read your own source which states



    I certainly hope no one else invents meaning or reasons behind this which have no basis in any sources, purely for partisanship.
    In addition, you ignored the portion where Major General Gurganus stated, "There's a new sheriff in town." What an idiot.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    As it was said above, and as I have experienced personally, many high ranking officials have been to Iraq and Afghanistan and not done this. I met General Patreus in a sheik's house in Sadr City Baghdad with a condition 1 weapon (round in the chamber) surrounded by 5 Iraqi Scouts in Condition 1 and he didn't even blink. In addition, screw what the Afghani's think. Let me ask you this, what do you think left more of an impression? The impression on those handful of Afghan soldiers that we view them as equal and so we'll lay down our arms too or the impression the young Marines took, with all that is going on right now around them and all the controversy surrounding the military, that their SECDEF required them to disarm. I know Marines, I've been around them for 12 years. They don't care what the reason was. All they know is, in order to meet this guy who's supposed to look out for them they had to lay down the very weapons he requires they pick up. That leaves a wound that won't heal with me and I wasn't even there.
    You're being over dramatic, I mean ridiculously so. It's your choice to be so offended by this instead of seeing it for exactly what it is, just a minor thing the result of a concern for the PR aspects of the mission. And that's it, what the Afghans think is a constant concern and for better or worse, right or wrong, part of the mission. I can understand the frustration, but that's the mission.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This was done just not to offend the Afghan Soldiers there who weren't allowed to carry weapons, basically it was just a political decision to not make the Afghans feel they were different from American even though of course they are. It has NOTHING to do with trust.

    Clearly you didn't actually read your own source which states



    I certainly hope no one else invents meaning or reasons behind this which have no basis in any sources, purely for partisanship.
    If you ever say something conservative, would you send me a PM, so I can come running to read it? I mean I want to believe you're independent, and I figured every independent has to say something conservative by accident some time.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    In addition, you ignored the portion where Major General Gurganus stated, "There's a new sheriff in town." What an idiot.
    So what, what are you saying it means? I see a new Commander exerting his authority, and you see what?

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If you ever say something conservative, would you send me a PM, so I can come running to read it? I mean I want to believe you're independent, and I figured every independent has to say something conservative by accident some time.
    What are you trying to say? I'm a secret liberal because I read the article and pulled my argument straight from the source?

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So what, what are you saying it means? I see a new Commander exerting his authority, and you see what?
    Laying down weapons is something that the UN would do. Last time that happen a bunch of Marines got killed in their barracks.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What are you trying to say? I'm a secret liberal because I read the article and pulled my argument straight from the source?
    No, because no matter what you're hard headed. A man who was in the Army wants troops disarmed. You hit your head or something?
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    oh dear.. I knew this guy (the Gen who gave the order to disarm..Gurganis) back when he was a Dog Robber at Lejuene in the early 80's....decent guy, but had that "politician" quality about him even then (to be fair, most dog robbers do)

    anyways, it was a bad order... he's playing the game.
    the SgtMjr should have counseled him better.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    I read the article - don't have an issue though I did at first.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I read the article - don't have an issue though I did at first.
    most folks won't have an issue with it... but most Marines will.

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