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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Should I take that to mean that you can only gather one thought at a time? Actually, forget I asked. As long as you're gathering that thought safely and with all the required protections, I'm happy. I'd hate to see you hurt yourself thinking this thing out too hard.

    Don't worry about me. Just keep doing what you're doing. It just seemed since you didn't think this a worthy thread, you wouldn't have wasted your time here. But if you like it, I like it for you.

    It's much ado about nothing because people are getting worked up over something minimal. This is no more important than what Obama had for breakfast today. It was Halal meat with hummus. He is a Muslim after all.

    I really don't see how the above is relevant, but if you like it, I like it for you.

    It's a free forum. Sooner or later you'll realize that being told that you're complaining about something minimal - is a legitimate point of debate.
    Of course it's a free forum. And one with many, many threads. I just post on the ones that are relevant to me, evidently you don't. But again, if you like it I like it for you.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Of course it's a free forum. And one with many, many threads. I just post on the ones that are relevant to me, evidently you don't. But again, if you like it I like it for you.
    So then I should take this to mean you don't like being told you're complaining about something insignificant? Here I'll give a test in consistency - did you show this much feigned outrage when Bush laughed at not finding any WMDs even though it got 4K of our soldiers killed? If you did, then I think you should tone the dial down on this supposed "insult" to our military.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then I should take this to mean you don't like being told you're complaining about something insignificant? Here I'll give a test in consistency - did you show this much feigned outrage when Bush laughed at not finding any WMDs even though it got 4K of our soldiers killed? If you did, then I think you should tone the dial down on this supposed "insult" to our military.
    I don't feign, is the 1st thing you should know. It was stupid to disarm the military. What does Bush and WMD have to do with this topic. This topic wasn't - "Were you as upset with SECDEF'S disarming the Marines asd you were about Bush and WMDs". But if you must drag that smelly red herring over the scent trail, have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I don't feign, is the 1st thing you should know. It was stupid to disarm the military. What does Bush and WMD have to do with this topic. This topic wasn't - "Were you as upset with SECDEF'S disarming the Marines asd you were about Bush and WMDs". But if you must drag that smelly red herring over the scent trail, have at it.
    Of course it's feigned outrage. It's pretending you're mad about something which doesn't affect troop morale. It's pretending you're offended by somebody you personally or anybody within 300 miles of you is affected by. It's pretending you're offended about something so ridiculously insignificant it didn't even make it out of a blog. Actually it was so insignificant that the guy who actually relayed the order said it wasn't a big deal. I brought up the little Bush thing to point out how silly it is to get angry at these supposed jabs the civilian administration take at the soldiers.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it's feigned outrage. It's pretending you're mad about something which doesn't affect troop morale. It's pretending you're offended by somebody you personally or anybody within 300 miles of you is affected by. It's pretending you're offended about something so ridiculously insignificant it didn't even make it out of a blog. Actually it was so insignificant that the guy who actually relayed the order said it wasn't a big deal. I brought up the little Bush thing to point out how silly it is to get angry at these supposed jabs the civilian administration take at the soldiers.
    Like he said bro, its not a big deal to you because you don't serve. Just pointing that out. It means a lot to servicemembers, in case you didn't notice the reaction of almost every vet on this website after I posted the link. It's your right to say its much ado about nothing. Maybe it is insignificant to you. But that doesn't mean its insignificant to everyone. Unless you've been elected to represent every user on Debate Politics, and if so, I didn't vote yet.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Like he said bro, its not a big deal to you because you don't serve.
    Funny, I read your link - the guy who is serving and is there doesn't seem to care.

    "This is not a big deal," Gurganus said. But he then added that "you've got one of the most important people in the world in the room," referring to Panetta. When it was pointed out that this had not been the custom, Gurganus - who is new to the post - replied, "There's a new sheriff in town."
    Maybe he didn't read the feigned outrage memo?
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Funny, I read your link - the guy who is serving and is there doesn't seem to care.
    Maybe he didn't read the feigned outrage memo?
    Of course he doesn't care man. He's a General. He's gotta make sure his post Marine Corps career is taken care of. That's how it works. If I could name all of the "contractors" I've met who just so happen to be retired Generals and Colonels, I'd be posting non-stop for a day. Generals are politicians in uniform man. If you notice the Sergeant Major's reaction, that is the true test of how it was perceived.
    "All I know is I was told to get the weapons out," Sergeant Major Brandon Hall told The New York Times. Asked why, he replied, "Somebody got itchy, that's all I've got to say. Somebody got itchy; we just adjust."
    Translation, we are just enlisted guys are we follow ridiculous orders everyday.
    Look, I'm not trying to debate whether this was a big deal or not. Obviously you don't think it was and I do. That's fine. All I'm saying is don't jump to the conclusion that just because its not a big deal to you, don't think it isn't to someone else.
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    We did not have to disarm when I escorted Nancy Pelosi..... maybe the brass was having some wishful thinking....
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it's feigned outrage. It's pretending you're mad about something which doesn't affect troop morale. It's pretending you're offended by somebody you personally or anybody within 300 miles of you is affected by. It's pretending you're offended about something so ridiculously insignificant it didn't even make it out of a blog. Actually it was so insignificant that the guy who actually relayed the order said it wasn't a big deal. I brought up the little Bush thing to point out how silly it is to get angry at these supposed jabs the civilian administration take at the soldiers.
    Got the link to the "doesn't affect troop morale" comment. Now I don't want a quote from the Generals or SECDEF, I want one from all the troops.

    As to the Bush comment, you and everyone else knows it's the typical left-wing tactic, when you can't win the debate, bash Bush. But at least you lefties are consistent. We can always count on a "Bush did thus and so" as the answer to every failure on the Demo side.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    If young men and women want to make the most of their lives, they should choose to serve their country instead of joining the military.

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