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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    double post.......
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

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    You down with the OP?

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Is that a "code word." LOL!!!

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Did you read the OP?
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    Unless I'm missing it, the first time Obamas name was mentioned with regard to 'blame' was post 81. Might want to check it and see what that suggests...about you.
    Here's what I read in the OP. You tell me where the buck stops in your opinion.
    The level of distrust shown to the Marines that wanted to meet SECDEF Panetta is just another in a long line of disrespectful moves towards our military by the current administration.
    And what else is included in the long line of disrespectful moves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Here's what I read in the OP. You tell me where the buck stops in your opinion.


    And what else is included in the long line of disrespectful moves?
    Show me where people blamed Obama. If of course you can overlook all the military folks that blamed the general. Or are YOU just ACHING to blame Obama?
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    And what else is included in the long line of disrespectful moves?
    Feb 2012- Obama proposes cuts in military TRICARE
    Feb 4 2010- Obama pronounces Navy Corpsman (coreman) as Navy Corpseman. Kinda big considering Corpsman care for wounded Marines.
    August 15th, 2011- During a "dignified transfer" at Dover Air Force Base of the remains of 30 dead servicemembers, a White House photographer takes pictures of the ceremony and posts them on the White House homepage as the "Pic of the Day". This despite the fact that 19 of the 30 families objected to photographs. The policy is, if a majority object, no photos are taken due to the fact that the coffins of those that object may end up in the pictures of the other coffins.
    Would you like me to keep going?
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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Feb 2012- Obama proposes cuts in military TRICARE
    Feb 4 2010- Obama pronounces Navy Corpsman (coreman) as Navy Corpseman. Kinda big considering Corpsman care for wounded Marines.
    August 15th, 2011- During a "dignified transfer" at Dover Air Force Base of the remains of 30 dead servicemembers, a White House photographer takes pictures of the ceremony and posts them on the White House homepage as the "Pic of the Day". This despite the fact that 19 of the 30 families objected to photographs. The policy is, if a majority object, no photos are taken due to the fact that the coffins of those that object may end up in the pictures of the other coffins.
    Would you like me to keep going?
    Firstly, a White House photographer posting on the White House website is NOT the President. What do you want him to do, monitor Whitehouse.gov for pictures, maybe personally write the blogs and take the pictures himself?
    Secondly, word pronunciation? Jesus Christ, how is that an issue?

    Lastly, he didn't propose Cuts in Tricare. What he proposed was raising the out of pocket costs for Tricare, specifically pharmacy costs for drugs would increase a bit as well as payments by those retired service members using tricare who are in the Tricare for Life program and are over 65. Why? Tricare faces the same problems as Social Security and Medicare, costs are increasing far beyond income at a time of serious debt for the US government, BUT Tricare still remains one of the best health care resources in the country with the lowest costs.

    Obama plan calls for new Tricare fee hikes - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It also means,
    Idiom
    8. play politics,
    a. to engage in political intrigue, take advantage of a political situation or issue, resort to partisan politics, etc.; exploit a political system or political relationships.
    b. to deal with people in an opportunistic, manipulative, or devious way, as for job advancement.
    Politics | Define Politics at Dictionary.com
    Clearly this is not what the SECDEF is supposed to do. Also, I will be more clear in my use of the word "politics" next time. Funny how you were the only guy who found issue with my usage of that word though.
    Well, the SecDef does that too. How else do you think he convinces others to maintain the largest military in the world? And the spending for it?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    See definition above. Obama tends to practice that defintion of politics more than the definition you put forth. Also, and this is just me, I believe that all politicians weight the "political" backlash with every appointment they make. Example, Hillary Clintion. Obama was criticized as being smarmy and condescending towards her during the campaign. In addition, her husband is a champion for the Dem Party. It was a political win for him as well as the fact he thought she'd do a good job.
    So why did he appoint her? Was it because of the political ramifications of doing so or because she would do a good job as Secretary of State?

    And if you don't think that Hillary Clinton hasn't been advising Obama on politics you're even more naive than I thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    They are political in the sense I described above. Not, I believe, in the way you describe. I believe the offices I described are the most unaffected by partisanship. They do, for the most part, what is right by the people. When they don't, they get hammered like AG Holder is right now. He has delved into the politics I describe is now lauded by both parties.
    Just because there is one word for something does not mean that that word has one definition. I am right in that Cabinet Secretaries are political appointments in that they execute and help determine policy.

    After all, if the SecDef is not a political office, then what kind of office is it? It's not a military one, as I pointed out that those with military commissions cannot be appointed until after 7 years. Yes, it's an appointed office - but that just describes how the office is filled, not what they actually do.

    And all these appointments practice politics in the terms you use as well. There's no prohibition in the Constitution that prevents them from doing otherwise, after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I agree with you. It isn't his primary responsibility and I never said it was. I simply said he is overall responsible for it, which he is.
    (C) include a description of the means by which the Department of Defense will maintain the capability to reconstitute or expand the defense capabilities and programs of the armed forces of the United States on short notice to meet a resurgent or increased threat to the national security of the United States;
    (D) reflect, in the overall assessment and in the strategic and regional assessments, the defense capabilities and programs of the armed forces of the United States specified in the budget submitted to Congress under section 1105 of title 31 in the year in which the report is submitted and in the five-year defense program submitted in such year; and
    (E) identify the deficiencies in the defense capabilities of the armed forces of the United States in such budget and such five-year defense program.
    10 USC § 113 - Secretary of Defense | LII / Legal Information Institute
    And it doesn't say anywhere that they can't make policies that will somehow piss off the servicemen, such as ordering marines to disarm to maintain civility in a meeting with Afghanis.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Lastly, he didn't propose Cuts in Tricare. What he proposed was raising the out of pocket costs for Tricare, specifically pharmacy costs for drugs would increase a bit as well as payments by those retired service members using tricare who are in the Tricare for Life program and are over 65. Why? Tricare faces the same problems as Social Security and Medicare, costs are increasing far beyond income at a time of serious debt for the US government, BUT Tricare still remains one of the best health care resources in the country with the lowest costs.

    Obama plan calls for new Tricare fee hikes - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times
    Yeah, if he's pissed that Tricare is demanding soldiers pay for more for their healthcare then he should be pissed at the GOP for not raising more tax revenue to pay for it, not at Obama because he's trying to manage the federal government as best as he can.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Marines forced to disarm before meeting secdef panetta

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Show me where people blamed Obama. If of course you can overlook all the military folks that blamed the general. Or are YOU just ACHING to blame Obama?
    I quoted where MarineT blamed the current administration and then he went on and named Obama in another post and leveled more ridiculous charges, answered quite nicely by the Wiseone. You connect the dots.

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