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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs (Oooops... that's double what t

    Not to worry folks, the rich can always be fleeced more in order to pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Translation:

    Taxes, fees, more taxes, more fees...

    To the common man...it's not worth the government control.
    Translation: where's my free lunch?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs (Oooops... that's double what t

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not to worry folks, the rich can always be fleeced more in order to pay for it.
    yes, the trend for them in the USA has been so difficult over the past 30 years
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs (Oooops... that's double what t

    any of you anti obamacare types have a child with an inoperable brain tumor and an insurance company that tries its best to NOT pay ?

    have any of you been billed thousands of dollars for a procedure that the insurance company would only have to pay about 30% of what they charge you?

    have any of you paid out of your own pocket for an MRI, chemo, radiation treatment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Translation: where's my free lunch?
    I'm not looking for a free lunch...and I don't want to pay for YOUR lunch either.

    Go get your own damned lunch.
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs (Oooops... that's double what t

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    any of you anti obamacare types have a child with an inoperable brain tumor and an insurance company that tries its best to NOT pay ?

    have any of you been billed thousands of dollars for a procedure that the insurance company would only have to pay about 30% of what they charge you?

    have any of you paid out of your own pocket for an MRI, chemo, radiation treatment?
    No, so Im confused as to why any of that is my problem. I work and pay for my own health care plan, and they treat me fine. So why should I pay for a huge govt program?
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs (Oooops... that's double what t

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm not looking for a free lunch...and I don't want to pay for YOUR lunch either.

    Go get your own damned lunch.
    And what is the purpose of the mandate, do you think? The purpose is to dissuade people who can afford insurance from free-riding on you and me.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs (Oooops... that's double what t

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, so Im confused as to why any of that is my problem. I work and pay for my own health care plan, and they treat me fine. So why should I pay for a huge govt program?
    More accurately, you're probably paying about half the cost or less of your health insurance and your employer is paying the other half. Your employer is deducting its share of the insurance from its taxes, and of course you don't pay income or payroll taxes on the compensation you receive in the form of health insurance. Those tax preferences cost the treasury about $500 billion per year. In other words, people who have health insurance also receive government assistance, and have for many decades.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs (Oooops... that's double what t

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, so Im confused as to why any of that is my problem. I work and pay for my own health care plan, and they treat me fine. So why should I pay for a huge govt program?
    Our son works, and pays, and thought he was covered....

    they treat you fine NOW, wait til you need very expensive procedures......

    they treated my grandchild fine, when all she had was minor illnesses, but once she got the tumor, all bets are off...first they tried to say her parents knew she had the tumor when they bought the insurance, but that effort failed....so they paid.
    THEN, after exhausting all chemo options (5 years on chemo), her doctor got her on an trial drug that seems to work. Her insurance company wants off the hook for quarterly MRI's that would have been required anyway, they want the drug company to pay for them. Sounds almost reasonable, but they aren't stepping up.
    Problem is, neither their insurance company or the doctors or hospital told the parents that they would have to pay for the MRI's and doctor visits, etc. during the trial phase. They now owe about $30K....and he is a teacher who hasn't had a pay raise in 4 years, despite finishing his masters degree.
    They pay $530 per month for the policy, $1500 annual deductible, then the insurance company is supposed to pay 100%.
    The district covers him as part of his benefits, but not his family.
    Even that is changing, I read in the paper today that he will have to pay $80 per month starting next fall.
    If they got their family insurance thru his school district, it would be $1,000 per month.
    14 years teaching, and his pay is about $50K....
    If it wasn't for what the wife and I give them, they would be filing bankruptcy.
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