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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Let's use the CBO words then:



    So the gross cost to the federal government is accurate: 1,762 billion. Add in your (-510 billion) offset, and it's still higher than the 960 billion.

    Will you at least acknowledge that the estimates are seeming to increase even with the offset from prior CBO estimates?
    I did use the CBO's words. You also failed to read far enough in the CBO report, since the number does not contain the savings projections for 2022. I also point out that even your numbers disagree with how the story presented them.
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did use the CBO's words. You also failed to read far enough in the CBO report, since the number does not contain the savings projections for 2022. I also point out that even your numbers disagree with how the story presented them.
    Again, you didn't answer the question.

    Here it is again:

    Will you at least acknowledge that the estimates are seeming to increase even with the offset from prior CBO estimates?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Again, you didn't answer the question.

    Here it is again:

    Will you at least acknowledge that the estimates are seeming to increase even with the offset from prior CBO estimates?
    Sorry, I missed that. Yes, the estimates are up. How much is up in the air. Will you likewise admit that the article this thread is based on misrepresented the numbers?
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Redress, why are you seemingly so confident that the cost savings will actually appear when the person who signed the bill into law lacks the political will to follow through with implementing them (ie ending the doc fix)?

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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sorry, I missed that. Yes, the estimates are up. How much is up in the air. Will you likewise admit that the article this thread is based on misrepresented the numbers?
    Thank you. And I'm trying to find the CBO report that identified the original 960 billion to see if that estimate included the offsets or if it was a gross estimate. Reason being, the article compares the 960 billion to the 1.7 T and claims it's doubled. It would be misrepresented if the 960 billion was adjusted and the 1.7T is gross or vice versa. I'm not having luck however finding that CBO report.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ZIRP4EVA View Post
    Redress, why are you seemingly so confident that the cost savings will actually appear when the person who signed the bill into law lacks the political will to follow through with implementing them (ie ending the doc fix)?
    We are talking about projections. Projections work by assuming a set of circumstances.

    Here, maybe this will help: Forecasting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Thank you. And I'm trying to find the CBO report that identified the original 960 billion to see if that estimate included the offsets or if it was a gross estimate. Reason being, the article compares the 960 billion to the 1.7 T and claims it's doubled. It would be misrepresented if the 960 billion was adjusted and the 1.7T is gross or vice versa. I'm not having luck however finding that CBO report.
    The 960 was net. The bill needed to come in under 1T net.
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....that is almost double what we were told as the dang thing was being passed.

    Everyone who was foolish enough to buy the line of BS about how "Obamacare will lower the deficit"..... Here's your sign.



    and again. as cpwill keeps saying. Obamacare will never be fully implemented. not because of politics, or the supreme court, or anything else, but just plain because we can't. we do not have the fiscal capacity to add this putrid oozing monstrosity to the pile of entitlements we are already sinking under.
    So help us get a universal-payer system implemented instead.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So help us get a universal-payer system implemented instead.
    Help us remove state boundaries and implement better competition to drive down costs.
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are talking about projections. Projections work by assuming a set of circumstances.
    And I am talking about the real world. The doc fix has been passed by Congress for the past two years. Thats $50 billion in mythological costs savings down the drain. So, what make you think any other costs savings will actually materialize?

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