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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    founding fathers were a bunch of damn liberals....
    For their time, definitely. By modern standards? Not so much.
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know, but this is what is popularly defined as communism.
    Never the less, these regimes do a lot of things, that some liberals in the U.S. tend to want.

    Industry nationalization and further state control of the economy.
    It's just that they eventually fail because their economies start to suck, from all that government control.

    It's pretty ignorant to call Somalia, a paradise of freedom, when one of the direct causes of it's destruction, is too much government control.
    so SOME liberals want some social thngs, they usually don't get them....
    Some conservatives want unfettered capitalism....we had that once, and created robber barons who turned armed thugs loose on to their own employees....
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    So the choices are socialism or anarchism?

    Why wouldn't you use an example that's actually applicable, like, I don't know, India. One of the largest growing economies in the world that's also incidentally moving away from it's formally oppressive socialist policies. It's not like India is completely favorable to Capitalism either; there are plenty of problems you could point out. Falsely equating anyone against socialist policies to anarchists accomplishes nothing.
    likewise China.....oppressive regimes die hard, and slow....
    some think that the USA might end up becoming an oppressive regime, but we have an advantage, too many unregistered guns.
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know, but this is what is popularly defined as communism.
    Never the less, these regimes do a lot of things, that some liberals in the U.S. tend to want.

    Industry nationalization and further state control of the economy.
    It's just that they eventually fail because their economies start to suck, from all that government control.

    It's pretty ignorant to call Somalia, a paradise of freedom, when one of the direct causes of it's destruction, is too much government control.
    ummm, that was sarcasm?
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    Re: New CBO health law estimate shows much higher spending past first 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    too bad conservatives didn't properly estimate the cost of the last IRAQ war and give congress a chance to fund it in advance....by taxing gasoline and diesel....
    So in your world, war and health care are exactly the same? Defending the nation is the same thing as free government services to citizens?

    Because in my world... that's different.
    It's like the difference between getting cable TV and having food. If my income goes down... I'm cutting TV before I cut feeding the family.

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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    elaborate? what country has plunged into 3rd world ruins due to socialism or social programs?
    For under $100 per month per family, Canadians have adequate health care. Are they 3rd world? How about the many countries in Europe that provide health care and other social needs?
    Canadians have adequate health care? Really? Under $100 per family?



    If adequate means suffering seizures until you come to the US and pay for care...

    Two Women - YouTube

    If adequate means suffering for 3 years until finally an infection made doctors to remove her bladder, forcing her to live with a catheter the rest of her life....

    Family to sue after man dies in hospital waiting area - Manitoba - CBC News
    Brian Sinclair, 45, died last September after waiting 34 hours at Winnipeg's Health Sciences Centre emergency room without receiving treatment for a bladder infection.
    Adequate in leftist land.

    Reality check: Canada's government health care system - CNN.com
    After suffering from crushing headaches and vision problems, she was diagnosed with a brain tumor four years ago. She was told if it wasn't removed, she could go blind or even die.

    "My family doctor at that time tried to get me in to see an endocrinologist and a neurologist," Holmes recalled. "It was going to be four months for one specialist and six months for the other." Video Watch Holmes talk about her experience in getting treatment »

    Even with the warning from U.S. doctors in hand, Holmes said she still couldn't get in to see Canadian specialists. Because the government system is the only health care option for Canadians, she says she had no choice but to have the surgery in the U.S.
    Adequate. Who cares if she goes blind, it's free.

    Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S. | News | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News
    A problem in Canada's hospitals is sending scores of pregnant women south of the border to have their babies.

    Ash's hospital couldn't handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn't have a neo-natal bed.

    "So two provinces didn't have enough room, so I have to go to another country," said Ash.

    Ash was sent to Swedish Medical Center where, nurses told KOMO 4 News, five Canadian women have come to have their babies in the past six weeks. Some were even airlifted at up to $5,000 per flight.
    Two provinces of 'adequate' care.

    And there are HUNDREDS of stories like these. Why do you think Timely Medical Alternatives, a company that specializes in getting Canadians out of the Canadian health care system, even exists? Why would people pay to leave their "adequate care" system? Because it's not...
    Timely Medical Services

    With all due respect sir... you can take your adequate care, and get out of the US. We don't need your "adequate care" here. What crap!

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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    Canadians have adequate health care? Really? Under $100 per family?



    If adequate means suffering seizures until you come to the US and pay for care...

    Two Women - YouTube

    If adequate means suffering for 3 years until finally an infection made doctors to remove her bladder, forcing her to live with a catheter the rest of her life....

    Family to sue after man dies in hospital waiting area - Manitoba - CBC News


    Adequate in leftist land.

    Reality check: Canada's government health care system - CNN.com


    Adequate. Who cares if she goes blind, it's free.

    Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S. | News | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News


    Two provinces of 'adequate' care.

    And there are HUNDREDS of stories like these. Why do you think Timely Medical Alternatives, a company that specializes in getting Canadians out of the Canadian health care system, even exists? Why would people pay to leave their "adequate care" system? Because it's not...
    Timely Medical Services

    With all due respect sir... you can take your adequate care, and get out of the US. We don't need your "adequate care" here. What crap!
    I know some canadians, they like Canadian health care. Your antecdotes happen in the USA as well, often enough to keep many lawyers busy and rich....
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    Re: New CBO health law estimate shows much higher spending past first 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    So in your world, war and health care are exactly the same? Defending the nation is the same thing as free government services to citizens?

    Because in my world... that's different.
    It's like the difference between getting cable TV and having food. If my income goes down... I'm cutting TV before I cut feeding the family.
    as long as we are talking about personal preferences......
    In my world, we take care of our sick before we go halfway around the world and kill people we don't like....
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so SOME liberals want some social thngs, they usually don't get them....
    Some conservatives want unfettered capitalism....we had that once, and created robber barons who turned armed thugs loose on to their own employees....
    Every philosophy has its own dark side.
    Sorry, unfettered capitalism has never existed.
    Besides the fact, that once again, the government didn't do, what it was supposed to do.
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    Re: CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    ummm, that was sarcasm?
    I know and no matter how clever some people think they are, in using it.
    It's still a retarded comparison.

    Somalia, is not in any way, the same as a capitalistic market place.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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