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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    I think the mood of the nation (outside of the radical right wing) can be summed up in three words

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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    One of our biggest mistakes we make is that we make judicial appointments political ones. All the way down to county DA's, they are politically voted on or appointed. Any judicial position should be voted on independent of anything political. The AG is a cabinet position... what makes anyone think that they are going to work independently??? They cover for the POTUS and in turn, so long as that is happening, the POTUS will cover for them and allow the AG to do whatever they want.

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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I think the mood of the nation (outside of the radical right wing) can be summed up in three words

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    You thought wrong because this independent does care that innocent people died because of this blunder and I thinks the Liberals are dispicable for their lack of compassion. All they care about is partisan power at any costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    You thought wrong because this independent does care that innocent people died because of this blunder and I thinks the Liberals are dispicable for their lack of compassion. All they care about is partisan power at any costs.
    I see no evidence of any national outcry over this.
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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The media didn't though ... take today: Democrats gloss over just like Republicans may have then, with the added bonus of the media glossing over. Democrats have the edge there.
    Sorry to disappoint you, but my expectations of the media is that I expect them to be almost as biased as the parties. I don't expect liberal outlets to be a watchdog to liberals, that's what conservative outlets are for. I know that there's more liberal outlets, but we have a free press and a free market. Conservatives who don't like it can start their own media, as was done with Fox.


    The question shouldn't be Fox specific it should be media specific. Why isn't the media, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NYT, NY Post, Chicago Sun Times... Mother Jones, New Republic.... etc.etc.etc... doing the investigating. Fox is one media group - granted large but insignificant when compared to the entire media field.
    Why do you expect them to be unbiased? It never has been that way, and likely never will. I picked on Fox only because they were the conservative outlet that came to mind first. Again, free press & free market. If conservatives don't like it, there's plenty of opportunity for them to get into the market. Frankly, I think that biased is exactly the way the founders knew it would happen, which is why they put in the First Amendment.


    ... because the Democrats, Republicans and Media want it that way... whoever has the loudest bullhorn to blame the other wins... and right now the edge goes to the Democrats with their media allies, hollywood allies, University and higher education allies, Union allies... the list is quite impressive.
    Boo hoo, everybody's against you. To hear you guys talk it's amazing a Republican ever gets elected to anything, yet somehow you manage to get just about every other President. In fact the last time a President served out his 8 years and handed over power to someone else in his own party, they were both Republicans.


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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Sorry to disappoint you, but my expectations of the media is that I expect them to be almost as biased as the parties.
    And that's sad. Having an independent and primarily unbiased media is a benefit to all. Having a biased and slanted media proves the rot that has infected our country.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why do you expect them to be unbiased? It never has been that way, and likely never will.
    Nothing is 100% - I however do expect journalists to go where the story takes them no matter their own bias. It's not bad expectation - Principles of Journalism | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ) . I do expect Journalism to have principles and ethics. What you're basically saying is they don't, you expect to be lied to now not only by politicians but by the media that covers them. So why watch? Why read? Why believe anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I picked on Fox only because they were the conservative outlet that came to mind first.
    Well, they are the largest and one of the only as well.... If I had asked you to name the top 5 conservative media channels... you'd have to look them up.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Again, free press & free market. If conservatives don't like it, there's plenty of opportunity for them to get into the market. Frankly, I think that biased is exactly the way the founders knew it would happen, which is why they put in the First Amendment.
    Good point - It used to be that media groups sold papers, magazines, or garnered viewers by providing stories that interested people. What's occurred in the past 20 years or so is media now panders to specific types of viewers. They don't want to cover a story that their viewers won't like. This is where I mention the "rot" again....

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Boo hoo, everybody's against you. To hear you guys talk it's amazing a Republican ever gets elected to anything, yet somehow you manage to get just about every other President.
    It is amazing actually.
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    In fact the last time a President served out his 8 years and handed over power to someone else in his own party, they were both Republicans.
    And if I remember correctly, the boo hoo crying in 2000 and 2004 went to the extremes of lunacy. Punch card chaffe, stealing the election, manipulating voting machines, conspiracy theories about Halliburton, calls for a national recount... oh yeah... boo hoo!
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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It is amazing actually. And if I remember correctly, the boo hoo crying in 2000 and 2004 went to the extremes of lunacy. Punch card chaffe, stealing the election, manipulating voting machines, conspiracy theories about Halliburton, calls for a national recount... oh yeah... boo hoo!
    None of which I ever engaged in. If you ask me there was probably enough skullduggery on both sides in Florida in 2000 that the only correct ruling would have been "**** it. You both cheated big time. Pat Buchanan gets the electors and we'll throw it to the House." Would have resulted in the same outcome most likely, but still...


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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    None of which I ever engaged in.
    That's good you didn't engage in it, but it still happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If you ask me there was probably enough skullduggery on both sides in Florida in 2000 that the only correct ruling would have been "**** it. You both cheated big time. Pat Buchanan gets the electors and we'll throw it to the House." Would have resulted in the same outcome most likely, but still...
    No cheating was ever identified and as far as I know, there were no lawsuits or criminal charges of "skullduggery". I don't know what the House would have voted but the facts are the wailing and gnashing of teeth lunacy occurred - was ugly and lasted years. You're comment about boo hoo therefore is misappropriated. The crying victim boo hoo during what you identified as the last President who served out 8 years, was incorrect.

    I have no problem calling Republicans cowards, victims, or boo hoo weenies when it's warranted and accurate.
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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I see no evidence of any national outcry over this.
    Does there have to be? A Federal Law Enforcement Agent and 300 Mexican citizens are dead because the Holder Justice Dept allowed assault rifles to flow into Mexico even after they weren't able to track them anymore. Where is the humanity? By the way it IS a crime.
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    Re: ‘No comment’: Democrat refuses to support Holder amid resignation calls

    No comment does not equal refusal of support. It could mean support is there but the comment will be withheld to prevent political backlash.
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