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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Alexa claims to be a she.

    Linking to hate sites is an act of promotion since it encourages posters to frequent them.
    or, she could have mistake AlJazeera.com for Al Jazeera.

    common mistake.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post

    A Nuclear armed Iran is a threat to Israel. Iran continues support terrorist acting against Israel. So give Israel the bunker busters, heck, send them a squadron of F-117 Stealth Fighters and a few B-2 Stealth Bombers along with them. Israel is not a threat to US security and interests, Iran is.
    The F-117 is not a fighter, it has absolutely not fighting capabilities, it is strictly a bomber. And it is a bomber that we have retired, or are in the process of retiring so I don't think Israel wants those.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    hmm...who wants to wipe who off the map?

    who is the one ranting and raving about how evil the other one is, and how they must be attacked, or the Holocaust will happen again?
    You again? I just shake my head.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, it is the israeli shills who refuse to acknowledge the iranian president's remarks advocated removal of the current israeli reich wing government as regime change and not obliteration of the nation itself
    Okay. So you anti-Israel. And perhaps pro-Iran. Do you also apologize for the Iranian involvement with the terrorism against Israelis? I shall not be surprised if you do.

    but being without a sound argument why a nation that refuses to sign the NPT should receive a larger bomb to drop on a nation which is a NPT signatory, such fabrication is needed to justify the warlike intentions of israel.
    It sounds like Israel intends to destroy deep underground facilities. I stand with Israel.

    iran has not initiated an attack on a sovereign nation in 200 years while it has not been 200 weeks since israel has done so.
    That is a great talking point. Was Iraq something other than a sovereign nation? Those two fought back and forth for years. Wait. Don't tell me. In your opinion Iran was completely blameless.

    and meanwhile, israel is rattling its sabers and driving up oil speculation (to the tune of 56 cents per gallon), thus hurting the chances for an economic recovery in the USA
    Wait! Don't tell me. The one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama's idiotic policies have had no effect on oil. Am I right? Isn't that what you want to say? When the one term Marxist illegally imposes a shutdown of drilling in the gulf that has no impact? When the one term Marxist says his policies will cause energy costs to necessarily skyrocket will you argue that his policies have had no effect?

    bibi would love nothing more than to achieve regime chane in the states, by undermining the Obama economic recovery so that a republican president willing to be subordinate to israeli interests can be elected
    If so he is on the right side of this issue. I stand with Israel on the need for regime change in this nation.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    wow, so if someone disagrees..they get accused of being an "Islamist shill" or of frequenting "Islamist hate sites".

    wow. so much for honest & intelligent debate.
    Do you disagree? The occupying regime must be obliterated. Nice turn of phrase. Clearly that is intended to show a peaceful resolution to their differences...if you are an Islamist shill.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    The F-117 is not a fighter, it has absolutely not fighting capabilities, it is strictly a bomber. And it is a bomber that we have retired, or are in the process of retiring so I don't think Israel wants those.
    It is true that the F-117 is not a fighter. The "F" was intended to confuse. I think Israel would love to have them. We would not love to give them away.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you disagree? The occupying regime must be obliterated. Nice turn of phrase. Clearly that is intended to show a peaceful resolution to their differences...if you are an Islamist shill.
    and who's begging and demanding the USA to attack another country?

    it ain't Iran.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    The F-117 is not a fighter, it has absolutely not fighting capabilities, it is strictly a bomber. And it is a bomber that we have retired, or are in the process of retiring so I don't think Israel wants those.
    I am aware that the F-117 is not a "fighter", but I am not the one who named it. Blame the misnomer on that individual, whomever they may be.

    Other than the cost of up-keep, why would they not want them, they are still stealth and they do carry enough munitions and types of ammunition to take out Air Defence sites and I don't see any reason it could not carry a Deep Penetrator (not having worked on F-117s or Deep Penetrators, I have no first hand knowledge if the two systems can work together). A strike like what is being discussed would be a heck of lot easier with some F-117s than with F-15s and F-16s. Not having served with the Israelis (or against them), I am not for sure if they have any heavy bomber capabilities. They really haven't had much need for Strategic Bombers.

    Since the draw down started after "Slick Willy" Clinton's election, the Air Force has had to prioritise it's budgeting. The have killed off ABCCC and several other programs. They want to retire the F-117 and A-10. See a trend here? Non-air-to-air fighters and support systems that do only one type of mission but do it extremely well and that mission is not Air-to-Air but Air-to-Ground and two of the systems ABCCC and A-10s are/were primarily for air-support of ground troops. The B-2 really made the F-117 a bit redundant for some missions, however for striking smaller, widely dispersed air defences and other targets, it still does a great job and a B-2 sortie would be overkill. There is still nothing better for killing tanks and convoys than an A-10. However, the Air Force over the last 20 years has been trying to move to multi-role variants of primarily fast Air-to-Air platforms or like the F-16, fast multi-role systems. They are still trying to acquire enough F-22s to replace the aging F-15 (which entered service in 1972 and many of the actual airframes are from that time period) and there was some talk of a "strike" version of the F-22 similar to the F-15E Stike Eagle. There is also joint development of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, however, the development of it has only recently started and as we saw with the F-22, it could be 20+ years between initial contract and actually having them to use (assuming the sitting congress at that time actually funds acquisition, unlike the F-22).

    If we really want to retire the F-117, why not allow trusted allies to have them? Currently, we are pretty much the only ones who have any stealth capability.
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A middle news organization that is biased against Israel has said that Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map.

    Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map - Archive - Al Jazeera English
    It's about the translation. Try reading the articles I posted. Just because AJE posted it does not make it true, as has been seen with their anti-Syria bias (Al Jazeera reporter resigns over "biased" Syria coverage | Al Akhbar English).
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Back to the topic of Bunker Busters.... Israel might or might not need to buy them from USA after all...they have developed their own , they are the MPR-500 missiles, hope they are enough to do the job.

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