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Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

and illiberal people continue to try to equate the two despite their enormous differences.

care explain it to me? A Palestinian in the West Bank and a Jew in Iran are both harrased by armed thugs representing an authority which have no right to vote in our out. The only difference is that a Jew in Iran does not need permission to leave a small town.
 
Who, in your opinion is asking the US to attack another country?...

Israel is asking the USA to attack Iran, or protect their own operation against Iran.

Soon, I expect Israel to say something like "you are either with us..or you're against us".
 
care explain it to me?

You really need me to explain the inherent differences between the elected Israeli leadership and the Mullahs when it comes to their degree of liberalism?
 
If you do not know or cannot see the difference, then there is no adequate way to explain it so you would understand.

Black ops are still black ops. If it wasn't something bad, whomever killed the Iranians would claim credit openly for it.

Wonder why they don't? Oh yeah, in the international community, the action would be condemned and the country responsible punished.
 
You really need me to explain the inherent differences between the elected Israeli leadership and the Mullahs when it comes to their degree of liberalism?

Jews in Iran have the right to vote and representation in Parliament.

THAT'S the difference.
 
You really need me to explain the inherent differences between the elected Israeli leadership and the Mullahs when it comes to their degree of liberalism?

How many Palestinians in the West Bank got to vote for the people who are allowed to micro-manage their lives? And lets be clear Israeli authorities in the West Bank can determine

When they can leave their homes at night
When or if they can access their farmland
If there farmland or olive trees can be destroyed
what punishment (if any) the settlers who harrass them on a daily basis can recieve

Not to mention that Israel can and does imprison Palestinian citizens indefinetly including minors contrary to international law. I really do not see the Liberalism here.
 
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Jews in Iran have the right to vote and representation in Parliament.

THAT'S the difference.

This difference exists only in your active imagination, since Arabs can vote and are members of parliament in Israel.
 
This difference exists only in your active imagination, since Arabs can vote and are members of parliament in Israel.

See above post about the West Bank, can Arabs vote for the Israeli leadership there?
 
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This difference exists only in your active imagination, since Arabs can vote and are members of parliament in Israel.

Israeli Arabs and West Bank/Gaza Palestinians, aren't the same thing.

But you knew that. Palestinians in the WB/Gaza can't vote in Israeli elections..and yet the Israeli govt. rules their lives.
 
The treaty also obliges nuclear disarmament for the U.S , UK , Russia , France etc. are you in favor of that also? Also do you not find it ironic that one of the few states outside of the treaty (Israel) has become its self appointed guardian?

What Iran is probably doing is what is called 'nuclear hedging' I.E trying to develop the capacity to develop nuclear weapons in a short space of time, so that they are ready if/when the treaty falls apart.

No, it doesn't, you made that up. Prove to me it says that.
 
Get a brain. And a memory.

The US itself flouted convention going into Iraq, despite a Security Council veto. So much for binding contracts, eh?

I'm certain that over the last 40 years, Iran has decided that perhaps it's situation has changed. I believe they're in a better position to decide that than you are.

You make **** up as you go along. What does Iran signing a nuclear non-proliferation treaty have anything to do with us and Iraq? Nice attempt to dodge, but you fail.

If Iran has decided their situation has changed, then they need to withdraw from that agreement. That would look TERRIBLE to the world if they did, but they are free to. Until then, they are bound by it. They signed it freely, nobody forced them to. THIS FACT, SOMETHING YOU DONT WANT TO FACE, IS SOMETHING YOU CAN'T IGNORE. No matter how much you try to bring Iraq into this. (Oh yea, we were justified going into Iraq, I have no idea what UN vote you're talking about but we don't need UN permission to do anything! We had all 16 members voted for the war, we can't do much better! LOL)

So no, Iran can't ignore the NPT just because you think they know better what they need than I do. It has nothing to do with me, I'm simply pointing out facts.

You still need your clue, your "get a brain" personal attack and then measly attempt at changing the subject to Iraq shows who the brainless one really is. LOL
 
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You make **** up as you go along. What does Iran signing a nuclear non-proliferation treaty have anything to do with us and Iraq? Nice attempt to dodge, but you fail.
If you fail to see the relevance of that, and in response to your own inclusion of flouting legality, you're even more foolish than I suspected.

If Iran has decided their situation has changed, then they need to withdraw from that agreement. That would look TERRIBLE to the world if they did, but they are free to. Until then, they are bound by it. They signed it freely, nobody forced them to. THIS FACT, SOMETHING YOU DONT WANT TO FACE, IS SOMETHING YOU CAN'T IGNORE. No matter how much you try to bring Iraq into this. (Oh yea, we were justified going into Iraq, I have no idea what UN vote you're talking about but we don't need UN permission to do anything! We had all 16 members voted for the war, we can't do much better! LOL)
Wrong. The decision was vetoed. Your ignorance knows no bounds. Google it, witling.

You still need your clue, your "get a brain" personal attack and then measly attempt at changing the subject to Iraq shows who the airhead really is. LOL
Can dish it. Can't take it.

Understood.
 
See above post about the West Bank, can Arabs vote for the Israeli leadership there?

Can you vote in a French or German election?

Good grief, the straw men some people create. :doh
 
your views on this and other matters are rendered useless & pointless, based on such ignorant attacks.
I invite you to peruse post #138.

And how does your own post here contribute to the substance of the discussion?

And what 'other matters'. Or did you not think that one through?
 
Can you vote in a French or German election?

Good grief, the straw men some people create. :doh

your posts are becoming ever-more stupid.

The French & the Germans do not have ultimate or even partial control over the USA. Why should it matter that we can't vote in their elections?
 
learn the difference between attacking an argument..and attacking the person.
Since you called his post 'stupid', it appears as a personal attack.

I get it, Thunder. You're the forum heckler (or one of them at least). You have nothing to contribute to the substance of the discussion. Your sole intent is to flit between posts, heckling.

It's cool. I'll remember.
 
If you fail to see the relevance of that, and in response to your own inclusion of flouting legality, you're even more foolish than I suspected.


Wrong. The decision was vetoed. Your ignorance knows no bounds. Google it, witling.


Can dish it. Can't take it.

Understood.

Your personal attacks have been reported. This thread isn't about Iraq. Come back when you know what you're talking about.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And calling a post stupid is one thing, calling a PERSON stupid is another. Example:

"You sure post some stupid stuff here, Thunder."

"You sure are a stupid person, Thunder."

The first is an attack on his posts, that's fine. The second is a direct personal attack on HIM. That, my friend, is against the rules.
 
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And calling a post stupid is one thing, calling a PERSON stupid is another. Example:

"You sure post some stupid stuff here, Thunder."

"You sure are a stupid person, Thunder."

The first is an attack on his posts, that's fine. The second is a direct personal attack on HIM. That, my friend, is against the rules.
And telling me to 'get a clue', along with calling me an 'airhead' is the zenith of gracious conduct, is that right?
 
Can you vote in a French or German election?

Good grief, the straw men some people create. :doh

No indeed but the German government isnt occupying my country, neither can it dictate when or if i can leave or home, my town, or access my farm, nor can it imprison me indefinetly without trial. What is ironic is that the Israeli government has the most power over those to whom it is least accountable electorally. On the other hand Israeli citizens in the West Bank can send MKs to the Knesset and enjoy the full support of the Israeli security forces, privillages that are denied to Arabs in the WB on the basis of ethnicity and religion. Where is the liberalism here? What this boils down to is that the West Bank is for all intents and purposes part of the Israeli state.
 
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