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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I haven't forgotten anything; in fact, I haven't commented at all on allies that have become enemies and am not quite sure to which enemies you refer. I simply asked a question: Isn't the reason this is new because the Admin may have extended a carrot to Israel in exchange for Israel's not acting against Iran?
    I doubt that the current administration would offer weapons to Israel in exchange for not striking. BO has been very muslim friendly and would not do anything to improve Israels ability to act militarily in the region. Unless forced by public opinion, and according to his Defence Secretary, given permission by the international community, he would probably not support Israel. I have not seen any evidence that he is willing to offer Israel a carrot to go along with the stick of withholding aide.

    jamesrage--I completely understand your point, but do not agree with it in this case. Yes, Iran turned on us, Castro turned on us, the Sandanista's turned on us, the Mujahideen turned on us. Throughout the cold war, we supported dictators and oppressive regimes in many places inorder to gain basing and listening support against the Soviet Union. In Afghanistan, we supported the muslims against the Soviet Union. The problem with this was that we were supporting dictators and regimes that were fundamentally opposed to the Philosophies of Human Rights and fundamental freedoms that the US is supposed to Champion. Throughout the world, we have very few real allies, I would rate Israel, Britain, the British Commonwealth Nations (Canada, Australia, etc) and Japan as true Allies, the rest are allies of convinience that have and will in the future act against our interests. Japan, though a true ally, in my opinion, is not really a military ally, they show no interest in militarization or acting militarily outside their own borders and even monetarily support US forces as part of their national defence plan. Israel has not acted against our interests, they may not always support a sitting administrations policies, and I do not believe that they would act against us in the future unless we acted against them first. All the historical evidence points to Israel just trying to survive and that what they really want is to just be left alone and allowed to exist and conduct trade. We should support our friends and allies, but we also need to be sure that they really are friends and allies first, not doing so has bitten us on tha ass to many times. Israel is one friend and ally that I am sure of.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I say give it to them. Up the ante. Obama probably won't.

    Israel asks U.S. for arms that could aid Iran strike - Yahoo! News
    Obama doesnt' want Israel to strike. Why would he give them what they need to strike until he feels that it's in the best interests of the US for a strike to take place?
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In your opinion is Iran going slow now?
    Which country's "leader" has stated his goal is the destruction of Israel?
    We should be providing every possible sort of support to Israel and the Iranian people. They are the country that needs to be fundamentally transformed, not ours.
    The wipe Israel off the map thing has been debunked.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Israel is more than capable of manufacturing of weapons capable of destroying hardened targets domestically. The Israeli offer should be refused as it needlessly mires the U.S. government deeper in the conflict and brings zero advantages.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We shouldn't give or sell weapons to other countries regardless if they are friend or foe. If history has taught us anything is that allies can turn into enemies and I would rather not give or sell something that can used against us or our troops in the future.
    Great Britain would have been in a world of hurt had the US not provided the lend-lease program at the start of WWII. I think the problem the US has encountered mostly has been providing weapons or related financial support to the "if you're the enemy of my enemy then your my friend" crowd. OBL crowd comes to mind, as well as Saddam Hussein.

    I personally have no problem with the US helping established allies defend themselves. I would hope they would do the same for us if the opportunity ever arose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    An Israeli official said earlier on Thursday that Israel has asked the United States for advanced "bunker-buster" bombs and refueling planes that could improve its ability to attack Iran's underground nuclear sites. Yes? No? Who knows?


    Me thinks Israel might get them we will see...

    Obama, Netanyahu did not discuss bunker buster bombs: White House - Yahoo! News

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A middle news organization that is biased against Israel has said that Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map.

    Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map - Archive - Al Jazeera English
    It is a commonly referred to mistranslation.
    There is no figurative translation for 'wipe off the map' in farsi.

    Derp.

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