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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I supposed I am guilty of coining a word in re-braining, but I did think the meaning would be obvious. <sigh, another child left behind>
    Typical Meathead response. "You should know what I am talking about even when I am deliberately being vague."

    You're on a debate site, dude, not a "be mysterious and vague and expect people to know what the **** you are talking about" site. If that's what you want you should just go all-out OneMale on us.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I don't understand why we would give them the missile when they are openly saying it is for use against Iran.
    I think you and that stillballing guy have problems grasping the obvious. I suppose if I intend to keep posting on this site I would have to adjust to the comprehension abilities of others here, but it certainly would be tedious constantly explaining the obvious to the obtuse,

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I think you and that stillballing guy have problems grasping the obvious. I suppose if I intend to keep posting on this site I would have to adjust to the comprehension abilities of others here, but it certainly would be tedious constantly explaining the obvious to the obtuse,
    Dude, you made up a word and automatically expected others to know what it means. Own up to your own crap and stop expecting others to wipe your ass for you. Nobody else is responsible for explaining, defending, and allowing others to understand your argument but yourself
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Dude, you made up a word and automatically expected others to know what it means. Own up to your own crap and stop expecting others to wipe your ass for you. Nobody else is responsible for explaining and defending your argument but yourself
    I would not allow you to wipe my ass. I do have standards! (btw, I'm not going to explain this either)

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I think you and that stillballing guy have problems grasping the obvious. I suppose if I intend to keep posting on this site I would have to adjust to the comprehension abilities of others here, but it certainly would be tedious constantly explaining the obvious to the obtuse,
    Okay, so you said we should give it to them and then said we should re-brain ourselves instead of de-fanging Israel. I just took what you said at face value because I rarely interact with you. Your second comment does not mean that you were joking in your OP, so why should I assume it does?
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    give them the bunker buster and give iran ONE nuclear weapon

    then let's see if israel engages in a foray into sovereign iranian territory

    we must de-fang israel

    our focus on iranian actions are misdirected. that country has not initiated war with another in 200 years. we cannot say that about israel for 200 weeks
    So Iran has not backed terriorist that have attacked Israel many times in the past? Iran didn't send fighters to Bosnia-Herzegovina to fight for the muslims there? Iran didn't fund and supply insurgents in Iraq? Iran wasn't sending support for Shiite muslims in UAE and other areas in the mideast to stir up protests? Iran has not repeatedly called for the distruction of the state of Israel?

    And when has Israel ever launched a war of aggression? Current operations and many in the past is in response to Palistinians (some funded and supplied by Iran) launched rockets against civilian targets in Israel. Modern Israel came about because the British controlled the area and refugees from anti-jewish areas fled there. The British had control of the area following crusades and the fall of the Ottoman empire, seeking to free the Holy Lands from muslim control. The British were trying to limit the influx and reduce conflict between the Palistinians and the Jews. However, their Mandate failed and the British chose to pull out. The plan was for a Jewish state, and Arab state and international control of Jerusalem. The UN and the Jewish community accepted this plan of Partition with Economic Union, however, the Arabs did not. The Jewish Agency declared independence the day prior to the expiration of the British Mandate, renaming the country Israel and four Arab countries attacked them. This is the first war between Israel and the Arabs, the Arabs were the agressors, not Israel. Following this war, Jordan controlled the west bank and Jerusalem and Ebypt controlled the Gaza strip and Irael controlled the lands that had been the Jewish area under the British. In 1967, Egypt expelled UN peacekeepers from the Sinai Peninsula and attempted to blockade Israels access to the Red Sea. Several Arab Nations formed a coalition and postitioned troops intending to attack Israel, however, Israel launched a suprise attack and defeated these forces and countries taking control of the West Bank, The Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai Peninsula and Jerusalem. Again, the Arabs were the aggressors, not Israel. In 1973, Egypt and Syria again attacked Israel but were repelled. Once again, the Arabs were the aggressors, not Israel. In 1981, Israel did stike nuclear facilities in Iraq, this could be considered aggression, however, Iraq was supporting terriorist attacking Israel and Israeli citizens. The Israelis have invaded southern Lebenon a couple of times in response to attacks by PLO and Hama terrorist.

    The Palestinians have been given chances for peace and self government. Israel gave them limited self-rule in the 1990s, but the Palestinians have elected known terrorist for their government. When the PLO refused to continue operations against Israel and instead attempted to keep the peace, the Palestinians turned to the more agressive Hamas factions. Since then, Hamas has repeatedly sent rockets into Israel against civilian targets and has supported/initiated many terrerist attacks against Israel.

    So in all this, where is this war that Israel initiated? Israel has always responded to provocation. Their control of the contested regions stems from the Arabs attacking them not the other way around. The Palestinians were part of the countries that started wars with Israel and they lost. If you start a war and lose, you can expect to have to live with the results, including the victor taking lands. There are Palestinians in Israel who do not support terrorist and are just as prosperous and peaceful as any other Israeli citizen. If the peoples of the "occupied" areas would act the same, they would have better prosperity and living conditions also. But instead, they lauch rockets at civilians and then whine when Israel responds to those attacks.

    A Nuclear armed Iran is a threat to Israel. Iran continues support terrorist acting against Israel. So give Israel the bunker busters, heck, send them a squadron of F-117 Stealth Fighters and a few B-2 Stealth Bombers along with them. Israel is not a threat to US security and interests, Iran is.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I would not allow you to wipe my ass. I do have standards! (btw, I'm not going to explain this either)
    YOU are on a ****ing debate site, Meathead. It is incumbent upon YOU and YOU yourself only to phrase YOUR argument in a way such that other people can understand it. If you can't debate properly, then why bother debating at all? Unless your goal here is to simply flame and insult the intelligence of other posters?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    YOU are on a ****ing debate site, Meathead. It is incumbent upon YOU and YOU yourself only to phrase YOUR argument in a way such that other people can understand it. If you can't debate properly, then why bother debating at all? Unless your goal here is to simply flame and insult the intelligence of other posters?
    It is not incumbent upon me to improve the reading comprehension skills of others, and as I have already said, it is tedious to explain the obvious to the obtuse.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    It is not incumbent upon me to improve the reading comprehension skills of others, and as I have already said, it is tedious to explain the obvious to the obtuse.
    I'm sorry it would take a whole extra sentence to explain your indecipherable babble and that that is too hard.
    You can continue babbling and not have anyone else on debatepolitics understand you if you wish. We really... don't care.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I say give it to them. Up the ante. Obama probably won't.

    Israel asks U.S. for arms that could aid Iran strike - Yahoo! News
    We shouldn't give or sell weapons to other countries regardless if they are friend or foe. If history has taught us anything is that allies can turn into enemies and I would rather not give or sell something that can used against us or our troops in the future.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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