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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I wish it were, but, the vehemence with which the Israeli's seek this bunker bomb is quite disturbing. Having the bomb will not solve their problems and only cause more problems for the US.
    ok bye I've had enough

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    ok bye I've had enough
    I do not blame you, the world has had enough of the hate, the killing and the destruction that has occurred in that region. Nothing good can come out of further the goals of any of the players in this scenario.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I think what I find the most interesting about this is that the people who say they are pro-Israel and want to attack Iran somehow don't comprehend that Israeli civilians will end up being killed if Iran is attacked. Since Iran cannot attack the US directly, they will attack US military bases in the region, but will also attack Israel as well. This won't be a normal attack, it will most likely be sustained for as long as possible and the opening salvos may be quite hard. Israeli civilians will most likely end up being killed if Iran is attacked. Thus, I must ask the people who want Iran to be attacked: Do you think it is worth it?
    Well, lets see, have a few possibly get killed or the whole nation if Iran completes nuclear weapons and a system to deliver it? It is not only worth it, it is pretty much imperative.

    You are also apparently unaware of the disparity in systems capability, quality of personnel and some politics in the region.

    Iran has very limited longrange/medium range missle capability. Mostly some chinese and ex-soviet systems, so unless Russia or China suddenly start upping Irans iventory, they have a limited supply. Israel also has Patriot missle defence systems, depending on stock piles, Iran may not be able to get a non-balistic missle through. Iran may have a few home built Balistic missles, but not enough to cause much damage without Nuclear/Chemical warheads. Iran does however have chemical capabilites but I am not sure how much delivery capability they could muster up.

    Iran has some fighters that might, maybe make it all the way to Israel, that is assuming that they can cross either Turkey (A NATO country), Iraq and Syria (a Sunni Muslim country that has provided materials, arms and financial support for insurgents in Iraq fighting the Irannian backed Shi'ite muslims or Saudi Arrabi (which is strongly opposed to Iran going Nuke and has fought for decades to curb Iranian influence in the region, Saudi may not support Israel (they also hate them) but they also would not support Iran either). If NATO stays neutral, very likely, then Turkey/NATO would shoot down either sides aircraft that enter their air-space. Turkey may be Muslim, but they value their ties to NATO too much to risk supporting Iran. Syria maybe a possible route, considering the really screwed up situation there, but to get to Syria, they would have to cross Iraq. Israel might make it on this route if the US turns a "blind eye" or outright supports them, Iran stands no chance of crossing Iraq as the US forces there would consider them potentially or even outright hostile, and Iranian aircraft against a US built and manned Air-Defence system would just be meat to the grinder. Saudi Arabia, as I said earlier has opposed Iran for a longtime now, this partly goes back to the old Sunni-Shi'ite thing. Saudi is also most likely going to stay neutral in this whole thing. They won't let either side cross, which they dislike more Israel or Iran, take a guess, because I sure as heck don't know. Saudi's Air Defences are mostley US and French made, I wouldn't exactly put thier personnel in the same league as the US or Israel, but they should be able to handle Iran's Air Force. That leaves going the long way around the Arabian peninsula, which is going to pretty much be determined by either a stop off to refuel or air-to-air refueling. Israel definitely should have this capability, very doubtful on the Iranian side.

    Iran has either old US Aircraft that they have had since the 1970s or earlier without any kind of parts or supplies for them since then. Iran was the only country to receive the F-14, but since the US Navy no longer uses them because of maintenance, it is doubtful if Iran could get any of theirs to fly and even if they did, their armaments are 40 years old. They have some Soviet Era planes and possibly some French or Chinese ones, but as demonstrated twice in Iraq, putting them up against US made fighters with well trained pilots (which I assure you, the Israelis are) is a no win situation for these Aircraft. Ok, no chinese made aircraft were in Iraq, but most of their stuff is chinese made copies of Soviet sytems.

    Without a nuclear warhead and delivery system, Iran is not a military threat to Israel, even if the US did not intervene. In a convential strike against Israel, the Iranians would kill less civilians than Hamas does with it's rocket attacks.
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I have to disagree, the most likely way to ensure Iran does not get "the bomb" is to blow the bastards so far back that they will think the stone-age is modern technology.
    They are barely above that level now. As someone recently said, Iran is not part of the Axis of Evil, they are part of the Axis of Medieval!

    Iran presents a military threat to the US similar to that of Iraq, which is to say none.
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I think what I find the most interesting about this is that the people who say they are pro-Israel and want to attack Iran somehow don't comprehend that Israeli civilians will end up being killed if Iran is attacked. Since Iran cannot attack the US directly, they will attack US military bases in the region, but will also attack Israel as well. This won't be a normal attack, it will most likely be sustained for as long as possible and the opening salvos may be quite hard. Israeli civilians will most likely end up being killed if Iran is attacked. Thus, I must ask the people who want Iran to be attacked: Do you think it is worth it?
    Most of the people polled in Israel say they are opposed to an attack on iran without US backing.
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Back to the topic of Bunker Busters.... Israel might or might not need to buy them from USA after all...they have developed their own , they are the MPR-500 missiles, hope they are enough to do the job.


    I am not watching a video called "penetration capabilities!

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Yes I agree... but Thunder... I thought USA was on Israel side?
    so we have to support EVERYTHING Israel does and wants to do?

    does Israel support everything WE do?

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so we have to support EVERYTHING Israel does and wants to do?

    does Israel support everything WE do?
    Of course not. Only when we have shared interests like preventing a nuclear-armed Iran.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Of course not. Only when we have shared interests like preventing a nuclear-armed Iran.
    yes, we both would prefer to not have a nuclear-armed Iran.

    that doesn't mean that if we refuse to support Israel's idea of how to prevent it, that we no longer support Israel.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, we both would prefer to not have a nuclear-armed Iran.
    But why? Iran hasn't started any wars. They have not attacked anyone. Iran is a peaceful country and their people pro-Western society - sure their government saber rattle but that's because they are a small scared little country surrounded by the U.S. in Afghanistan and until recently Iraq. Israel has been nothing but antagonistic towards Iran, for nothing other than paranoia about being attacked. Israel and you should be supportive of Iran's use of peaceful nuclear power and they've said over and over again they are NOT creating weapons, and there is no evidence of them creating weapons, nor is there evidence that they have a method to deliver weapons even if they had them.
    Why then do you prefer Iran not to have peaceful nuclear power? Do you not others in the ME to prosper? Having Iran on an equal economic footing as other nations in the world may help in setting negotiations and peace talks where each can set aside political differences and move towards a peaceful future. Surely you can see that and want that don't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that doesn't mean that if we refuse to support Israel's idea of how to prevent it, that we no longer support Israel.
    Of course not.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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