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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Sorry you lost me there. Of course USA is on USA side. But USA has strategic partners and Israel is one of them, am I wrong? No I am not.
    What Thunder and Connery mean is that despite the fact that we have a special relationship/alliance with Israel, when it comes to certain issues, the interests of Israel and the United States do not align perfectly - and in fact those interest can often be at odds or even fractured. Of course, it is impossible to have your interests 100% aligned with those of your allies no matter who we're talking about.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I am not disagreeing with you. I am saying that as long as Israel serves good purpose for the US they will remain partners.


    And vice versa Connery, it works both ways.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    And vice versa Connery, it works both ways.
    It appears that if the US does not supply the Bunker bombs that would not serve "good purpose" for Israel. Do you think Israel would seek out another or substitute strategic ally?

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What Thunder and Connery mean is that despite the fact that we have a special relationship/alliance with Israel, when it comes to certain issues, the interests of Israel and the United States do not align perfectly - and in fact those interest can often be at odds or even fractured. Of course, it is impossible to have your interests 100% aligned with those of your allies no matter who we're talking about.

    I know exactly what you are talking about StillBallin75... but at some stage you must take sides and say am I with this or am I with that.... am I living in the Middle Ages or am I living in 2012?

    It comes a time StillBallin75.... we have to choose sides

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    It appears that if the US does not supply the Bunker bombs that would not serve "good purpose" for Israel. Do you think Israel would seek out another or substitute strategic ally?

    I don't know.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I know exactly what you are talking about StillBallin75... but at some stage you must take sides and say am I with this or am I with that.... am I living in the Middle Ages or am I living in 2012?

    It comes a time StillBallin75.... we have to choose sides
    Even in the middle ages a side had to be chosen. The level of destruction and economic considerations are more complex.

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Even in the middle ages a side had to be chosen. The level of destruction and economic considerations are more complex.

    Everyone is aware of that.

    So what's new!

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Everyone is aware of that.
    I was responding to this, "am I living in the Middle Ages or am I living in 2012?"

    So what's new!
    Oh I don't know I found a bunion I did not know I had and Auntie May will be visiting soon. What's new with you?

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I was responding to this, "am I living in the Middle Ages or am I living in 2012?"



    Oh I don't know I found a bunion I did not know I had and Auntie May will be visiting soon. What's new with you?

    Cool, no problem ok?

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    Re: Israel Asks for Bunker Buster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Cool, no problem ok?
    I wish it were, but, the vehemence with which the Israeli's seek this bunker bomb is quite disturbing. Having the bomb will not solve their problems and only cause more problems for the US.

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