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    Re: Kony 2012

    Or maybe not. From the Guardian link:


    " ...So far the organisation has released 11 films and run film tours across the US and other countries to raise awareness. In Uganda, it has given scholarships to 750 children, and helped to re-build schools there and in centralo Africa. The organisation's accounts show it's a cash rich operation, which more than tripled its income in 2011, with more than two thirds of its money coming from "general donations".

    The accounts suggest nearly 25% of its $8.8m income last year was spent on travel and film-making with only around 30% going toward programes on the ground. The great majority of the money raised has been spent in the US. $1.7 million went on US employee salaries, $357,000 in film costs, $850,000 in film production costs, $244,000 in "professional services" - thought to be Washington lobbyists - and $1.07 million in travel expenses . Nearly $400,000 was spent on office rent in San Diego... "
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    Re: Kony 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Truly awful, but hasn't Africa been plagued with this sort of thing for hundreds of years?

    This is hardly a new development.
    No, it has not been "hundreds of years," rather it has only been in recent times that things of this nature have occurred.
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    In a way, maybe this could be made into a great thing. We help find some warlord with no state to go to war with or have reaponsibility for after, and do away with him, then pat ourselves on the back for stopping the worlds most vile person. I can almost hear the chants of "USA!" now.

    Never mind replacing the war on drugs so that American consumers stop sponsoring extreme levels of bloodshed south of our border (and within it) with sensible policy. Never mind focusing on American consumers sponsoring radical Islam and its disgusting effects by consuming so much oil. Never mind America focusing on withdrawal from the conflicts we are currently engaged in. Never mind the fact that none of the countries the LRA operates in is one our military should advise in the business of killing. Never mind that fighting a children's army will mean, potentially, our advisers examining the most effective ways of killing children.

    Never mind that this group seems to have focused on policymakers in the USA to act, whereas the AFRICAN UNION seems to be markedly absent from the lobbying campaign (or maybe the au has been trying for years to end a conflict that is much more complicated than it seems to us going in. Wouldn't that be a shocker.)

    Sorry if I sound preachy, but I've been quite sickened by seeing some of my fellow liberal friends supporting greater American military intervention. Like darfur, years passed before anyone took notice to atrocities, but a snap judgement after a 30 minute video literally makes my stomach turn.
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    Re: Kony 2012

    Uganda is the "lesser of two evils" in this situation. Sort of like Stalin in WWII, I suppose. Or Ngo Dinh Diem. Not that I'm not
    opposed to helping the corrupt regime.

    Here are a few interesting quotes from IC:

    [we] do not defend any of the human rights abuses perpetrated by the Ugandan government or the Ugandan army
    [The Ugandan Army is] more organized and better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries (DRC, South Sudan, CAR) to track down Joseph Kony
    There is a huge problem with political corruption in Africa. If we had the purity to say we will not partner with anyone corrupt, we couldn’t partner with anyone.
    A bad part of the vid, for me, was the claim of 30,000 child soldiers in the LRA, when in reality the number is only in the hundreds.

    The DRC uses thousands of child soldiers in its army. Even the Ugandan government uses small amounts of children in defense forces. And, as mentioned before, homosexuality is an offense punishable by imprisonment (and formerly death) in Uganda. There have been reports of torture of suspected LRA members by the government. I think if we do go after Kony, we'll have to rethink our alliance.
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    Re: Kony 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    No, it has not been "hundreds of years," rather it has only been in recent times that things of this nature have occurred.
    Tribal warfare and groups like this have existed in Africa throughout history. The internecine warfare btween tribes and different factions has been the only persistant factor in Sub-Saharah Africa throughout history. Many of the slaves brought west were sold to the Europeans by tribes that had captured them in wars between factions just like the one in the video. Just because they now use guns instead of spears and clubs doesn't change the underlying fact that some of the people there have been doing this all along. Instead of killing most of them and enslaving some, it was more profitable to sell them. Some tribes in Sub-Saharahan Africa still openly practice and support slavery. This sort of thing was going on long before any African ever saw a European and will continue to do so unless the necessary actions are taken. Most of the governments there are just as bad as these "Rebel" groups and tribes because many of the governments are made up of a tribe that was able to sieze power from it's rivals and continue to oppress those rivals. Even the most stable areas of Sub-Saharan Africa, like South Africa still have problems with intertribal violence. The fact that in South Africa, the rival tribes there immediately took to slaughtering each other instead of their white oppressors after the fall of the apartheid government is a very telling fact about Sub-Saharan Africa.

    This group is advocating US support for an exiting regime that is fundamentally no better than the people we are supposed to be helping fight. The US aided and supported similar types of governments throughout the cold war, Iran, South Vietnam, Panama, The Philippines, Pakistan, Cuba, and many many others. Is there a single one of them whose people are cooperative and supportive of the US today? Are the peoples of any of them even better off after the support that US gave during those regimes? South Korea is perhaps the only example where we at one time support a dictator and then seen it transition to more democratic, less oppressive forms of government without them either turning enemy or kicking us out and that is probably only because their survival hinges on US support.

    The US is not ready to do what is really necessary and the world community certainly would not be supportive of the US doing it. We tried limited, neutral actions in Somalia, look what that got us.

    While the US is certainly very good at initial military actions, we have continuously failed after taking those actions. The US public also has shown repeatedly that it is unable to sustain the political will for the time periods that would be necessary to make any real changes. We failed in Vietnam. We failed in Iraq. We failed in Afghanistan. While the US is militarily strong, it has been, in recent history, notoriously fickle politically. Unless we develope the tools and structure necessary to be sucessful after initial military action and unless we are politically willing to hold course for the longterm, we shoud stay the hell out of it.

    I fully support helping the people there and ending this continuing cycle of violence and oppression, but I cannot support us helping yet another tin-pot oppressive dictatorship to do it.
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    Very strange. One of the Kony guys was busted masturbating in public.

    U.S. News - Report: Invisible Children co-founder detained by police; charity made 'KONY 2012' video

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    Re: Kony 2012

    These guys came to my high school a few years ago, for the next week all I heard was about how we have to get involved in Uganda and help the kids. Then after that I heard nothing, until this new video. Teenagers in general arn't the best backbone for a group and in few weeks something will replace Kony 2012. Also even back then that group seemed to be sketchy but then everyone got on me for not caring about Africa and such, charities can be such a pain sometimes.
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    Re: Kony 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Very strange. One of the Kony guys was busted masturbating in public.

    U.S. News - Report: Invisible Children co-founder detained by police; charity made 'KONY 2012' video
    yeah NIGHTLINE Is reporting his drunken public whanking right now.

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    Re: Kony 2012

    Well when I first saw this ****, I knew little about the Kony guy but I actually knew a decent amount about Uganda thanks to National Geographic and PBS. My first thoughts, which were projected throughout the intertubes as well is "Why the **** isn't anyone talking about the government?"

    Secondly, I have worked for "non-profits" in Cincinnati; for liberal, conservative, and "Neutral" causes. There is no such thing as non-profit with these kinds of organizations. While they donate to their causes, much of the money that can be made will go to them personally. Several, not all of these organizations feed off of tragedy. To quote something I saw on Reddit:

    "If you postin' 'bout Kony I feel bad for you son, he snatched 99 children, and your status saved none."
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    Re: Kony 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Secondly, I have worked for "non-profits" in Cincinnati; for liberal, conservative, and "Neutral" causes. There is no such thing as non-profit with these kinds of organizations. While they donate to their causes, much of the money that can be made will go to them personally.
    Yeah. All you have to do to qualify for non-profit status is to make sure there's nothing left over in the end. If income minus expenses equals zero, then hey, you've got no profit and a helluva bunch of tax breaks.

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