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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Hybrid and ng wouldn't be mutually exclusive concepts, seems like we could have hybrid vehicles that have ng motors instead of gas, kill two birds with one stone thing.
    Go for one if you want. Personally, I think it would be more efficient to burn NG to run electric plants to power more efficient electric cars.
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    This is great news for Danarhea!

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Go for one if you want. Personally, I think it would be more efficient to burn NG to run electric plants to power more efficient electric cars.
    It may or may not be more efficient, someone would have to crunch the numbers but until batteries can power a car a reasonable distance, battery power isn't efficient for anything but commuting. Even if you could go 300 miles on a charge you can't recharge batteries to go another 300 miles in 5 minutes, not yet anyway.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It may or may not be more efficient, someone would have to crunch the numbers but until batteries can power a car a reasonable distance, battery power isn't efficient for anything but commuting. Even if you could go 300 miles on a charge you can't recharge batteries to go another 300 miles in 5 minutes, not yet anyway.
    Someone already has crunched the numbers, electric motors are much more efficient than ICE.

    "A BEV operates at roughly 46% efficiency, whereas a CV operates at about 18% efficiency. In other words, approximately 46% of the electrical energy taken from the wall plug to charge EV propulsion batteries is delivered to the drive wheels as useful work. In contrast, only about 18% of the energy dispensed into the fuel tank as liquid motor fuel ends up at the drive wheels of a CV."
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    The Tesla model S will go 300 miles on a charge, and most people in the US don't need a 5 min. recharge, as they drive less than 40 miles per day.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    CNG is a great idea if you can afford one of those home refueling units, but they cost $4000, not including installation, and it takes all night to refuel. CNG isn't ready for prime time when it comes to non-fleet uses. Gasoline is still king.
    A CNG equipped station however uses fast-fill and will fill up a tank in the same time as it would take gas or diesel. Granted, an at home system uses time-filling and you'd have to hook it up overnight. Not sure I'd like that too much. It's fast-fill or nothing. I do like the ability for vehicles to take either one. That way, when needed it's gas, when it's convenient or available take CNG. Having options is a good thing, but I wonder how much more that option will cost.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Someone already has crunched the numbers, electric motors are much more efficient than ICE.

    "A BEV operates at roughly 46% efficiency, whereas a CV operates at about 18% efficiency. In other words, approximately 46% of the electrical energy taken from the wall plug to charge EV propulsion batteries is delivered to the drive wheels as useful work. In contrast, only about 18% of the energy dispensed into the fuel tank as liquid motor fuel ends up at the drive wheels of a CV."
    Electric and Hybrid Vehicles: A Technology Overview

    The Tesla model S will go 300 miles on a charge, and most people in the US don't need a 5 min. recharge, as they drive less than 40 miles per day.
    Like I have said before, great commuting vehicles and if I lived in a city and had a two car family one of them would probably be an elec car. I think the fly in the ointment though is you are forced to have two cars as of now because an elec car is only good for commuting although a hybrid would be dual purpose.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    A CNG equipped station however uses fast-fill and will fill up a tank in the same time as it would take gas or diesel. Granted, an at home system uses time-filling and you'd have to hook it up overnight. Not sure I'd like that too much. It's fast-fill or nothing. I do like the ability for vehicles to take either one. That way, when needed it's gas, when it's convenient or available take CNG. Having options is a good thing, but I wonder how much more that option will cost.
    i haven't seen the numbers but it can't be as horrendous as the Volt. It would need multi port injectors to handle the two different densities, rings that could handle the variable compressions, and some type of variable compression crank and valve timing. Wouldn't think that would be too bad.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    i haven't seen the numbers but it can't be as horrendous as the Volt. It would need multi port injectors to handle the two different densities, rings that could handle the variable compressions, and some type of variable compression crank and valve timing. Wouldn't think that would be too bad.
    I'll be in the market for a new truck in a few years - my 99 Dakota is feeling it's age.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Like I have said before, great commuting vehicles and if I lived in a city and had a two car family one of them would probably be an elec car. I think the fly in the ointment though is you are forced to have two cars as of now because an elec car is only good for commuting although a hybrid would be dual purpose.
    I know, in your situation, an EV won't work. They are not for everyone. But its not really an issue for most drivers as they travel less than 40 miles a day. Gas prices are already creating hardships for the working class. Within a couple more years, gas is expected to get so expensive, that the working class most reliant on it, are going to take a big financial hit.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Another nice things about natural gas....



    TORQUE.


    And LOTS of it. You think diesel makes torque, you aint seen nothing till you have driven a box truck powered by propane, baby.
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