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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well may be but don't hybrid vehicles only really work in stop and go traffic? AsI understand it once you are cruising down the road at 60 MPH or better they are just regular gasoline engine vehicles. This is what most pickup trucks do, they are not used for commuting in the city as a rule.
    It depends on the hybrid configuration that different hybrid models use:

    "Hybrids are classified by the division of power between sources; both sources may operate in parallel to simultaneously provide acceleration, or they may operate in series with one source exclusively providing the acceleration and the second being used to augment the first's power reserve. The sources can also be used in both series and parallel as needed, the vehicle being primarily driven by one source but the second capable of providing direct additional acceleration if required."

    "A full hybrid, sometimes also called a strong hybrid, is a vehicle that can run on just the engine, just the batteries, or a combination of both. The Toyota Prius, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Ford Escape Hybrid/Mercury Mariner Hybrid, Ford Fusion Hybrid/Mercury Milan Hybrid, Kia Optima Hybrid, as well as the General Motors 2-mode hybrid trucks and SUVs, are examples of this type of hybridization as they are able to be propelled on battery power alone. A large, high-capacity battery pack is needed for battery-only operation. These vehicles have a split power path that allows more flexibility in the drivetrain by inter-converting mechanical and electrical power, at some cost in complexity. To balance the forces from each portion, the vehicles use a differential-style linkage between the engine and motor connected to the head end of the transmission."

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, you're right. Hybrids are mostly an advantage if you live in the city, and travel short distances in your routine habits. For someone like me, who drives 90 miles round-trip for work, it would be a waste of money overall.
    Only if the gas savings cost of getting 50 mpg on that 90 mile round trip is if no importance to you.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only if the gas savings cost of getting 50 mpg on that 90 mile round trip is if no importance to you.
    Currently, I drive a Honda CRV (small suv), which gets 30 mpg on the highway. The most comparable hybrid to size and capacity is the Ford Escort hybrid, which gets 31 mpg highway mileage. My CRV is paid for. Why would I want to go pay 25-30 thousand dollars minimum for a new car, in order to get 1 extra mpg?
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Currently, I drive a Honda CRV (small suv), which gets 30 mpg on the highway. The most comparable hybrid to size and capacity is the Ford Escort hybrid, which gets 31 mpg highway mileage. My CRV is paid for. Why would I want to go pay 25-30 thousand dollars minimum for a new car, in order to get 1 extra mpg?
    It wouldn't make sense for you if you just paid off your CRV. But for people with a gas guzzler that need to buy another car, a Prius that gets 50 mpg would provide thousands of dollars worth of gas savings. If they go for one of the new Prius cars, the savings is even greater at 80 mpg.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Probably not many, but oil dependence for gasoline is our single biggest use of petroleum, so it might make a considerable impact on our foreign dependence, which is something I can get fully behind.
    We actualy have enough oil to be independant right now, this very instant.

    It's not that we can't be independant, it's that we don't want to be.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We actualy have enough oil to be independant right now, this very instant.

    It's not that we can't be independant, it's that we don't want to be.
    No doubt about that, but at least with natural gas, it's not being demonized as the evil that oil is, at least not yet.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No doubt about that, but at least with natural gas, it's not being demonized as the evil that oil is, at least not yet.
    Personally I think a quick fix to fuel consumption is to alter the tariffs to allow diesel fueled cars like they have in Europe. They're far cleaner and more efficient than gas-powered cars, especially with developments in biodiesel.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We actualy have enough oil to be independant right now, this very instant.

    It's not that we can't be independant, it's that we don't want to be.
    We haven't had enough affordable oil to be independent since 1971.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It depends on the hybrid configuration that different hybrid models use:

    "Hybrids are classified by the division of power between sources; both sources may operate in parallel to simultaneously provide acceleration, or they may operate in series with one source exclusively providing the acceleration and the second being used to augment the first's power reserve. The sources can also be used in both series and parallel as needed, the vehicle being primarily driven by one source but the second capable of providing direct additional acceleration if required."

    "A full hybrid, sometimes also called a strong hybrid, is a vehicle that can run on just the engine, just the batteries, or a combination of both. The Toyota Prius, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Ford Escape Hybrid/Mercury Mariner Hybrid, Ford Fusion Hybrid/Mercury Milan Hybrid, Kia Optima Hybrid, as well as the General Motors 2-mode hybrid trucks and SUVs, are examples of this type of hybridization as they are able to be propelled on battery power alone. A large, high-capacity battery pack is needed for battery-only operation. These vehicles have a split power path that allows more flexibility in the drivetrain by inter-converting mechanical and electrical power, at some cost in complexity. To balance the forces from each portion, the vehicles use a differential-style linkage between the engine and motor connected to the head end of the transmission."

    Hybrid vehicle drivetrain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hybrid and ng wouldn't be mutually exclusive concepts, seems like we could have hybrid vehicles that have ng motors instead of gas, kill two birds with one stone thing.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Personally I think a quick fix to fuel consumption is to alter the tariffs to allow diesel fueled cars like they have in Europe. They're far cleaner and more efficient than gas-powered cars, especially with developments in biodiesel.
    Not sure what you mean. We have diesel fueled cars in the US, they are not outlawed. Are you saying there is a higher US tariff on diesel than on gas powered cars? If so, would you post a link? Thanks.
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