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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Also in competition will be more fuel efficient hybrid pickups:

    Ford and Toyota Partnering Up to Produce Hybrid Trucks




    "If there was any doubt that new fuel regulations would make an immediate and widespread impact on the automotive industry, it evaporated this morning. Today, Ford and Toyota announced an agreement to jointly develop — as equal partners — a new hybrid drivetrain specifically for light trucks and SUVs. This new technology would go on sale by the end of the decade.

    The types of rear-wheel-drive vehicles this will be applied to include some of the most popular vehicles in the country, big pickups like Ford’s F-150 and the Toyota Tundra, along with large body-on-frame SUVs like the Toyota Sequoia and Ford Expedition. Ford and Toyota currently have just a handful of these types of vehicles in their portfolios, but the F-150 accounts for such a huge portion of sales that it alone would warrant this type of development."

    Ford and Toyota Partnering Up to Produce Hybrid Trucks - PickupTrucks.com News
    Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well may be but don't hybrid vehicles only really work in stop and go traffic? AsI understand it once you are cruising down the road at 60 MPH or better they are just regular gasoline engine vehicles. This is what most pickup trucks do, they are not used for commuting in the city as a rule.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well may be but don't hybrid vehicles only really work in stop and go traffic? AsI understand it once you are cruising down the road at 60 MPH or better they are just regular gasoline engine vehicles. This is what most pickup trucks do, they are not used for commuting in the city as a rule.
    I think you're right. In city driving you do a lot of starting to move again. Hybrids use the gas engine to get going, then keep the momentum going with the stored electricity. Which is why I laugh at people driving hybrids in city traffic.


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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well may be but don't hybrid vehicles only really work in stop and go traffic? AsI understand it once you are cruising down the road at 60 MPH or better they are just regular gasoline engine vehicles. This is what most pickup trucks do, they are not used for commuting in the city as a rule.
    There's two kinds of hybrids: parallel (Prius, etc) and series (Volt).

    Parallels have a regular drivetrain with an electeic motor grafted in. They perfkrm well in stop and go but lose their advantage on the freeway.

    Series types have smaller ICEs, running at a steady state to provide pkwer to the electric drivetrain. Don't know how the Volts does, bht in theory they shouldn't have the same loss of advantage at freeway speeds.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    As I thought hybrids are just regular gasoline engines on the open road except worse because you have the extra weight of a huge battery bank.


    "That's because, as the term implies, hybrid cars have two different powerplants under the hood: a powerful electric motor and a conventional gasoline engine.

    The electric motor, powered by a stack of rechargeable batteries, is the primary workhorse for moving the car during slow-speed driving — such as through a residential neighborhood or in stop-and-go urban traffic.

    During coasting and slow-down phases when a driver lightly taps on the brakes, the car's wheels are automatically engaged to an electrical generator. The generator creates an extra "load" to assist the brakes in slowing the car down, but more importantly, it converts the car's mechanical energy back into electricity to recharge the car's batteries.

    At higher speeds, such as steady highway cruising, computers automatically switch on the gas-burning engine, which then takes over as the primary driving force of the car. Typically, the small engine is designed with variable valve timing intelligence, or VVT-i, and other advances to ensure that the fuel is burned most efficiently and completely"


    How Do Hybrid Cars Work? - ABC News

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well may be but don't hybrid vehicles only really work in stop and go traffic? AsI understand it once you are cruising down the road at 60 MPH or better they are just regular gasoline engine vehicles. This is what most pickup trucks do, they are not used for commuting in the city as a rule.
    Yes, you're right. Hybrids are mostly an advantage if you live in the city, and travel short distances in your routine habits. For someone like me, who drives 90 miles round-trip for work, it would be a waste of money overall.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, you're right. Hybrids are mostly an advantage if you live in the city, and travel short distances in your routine habits. For someone like me, who drives 90 miles round-trip for work, it would be a waste of money overall.

    Huh. Guess I was wrong. You learn something new everyday.


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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    As I sit here this moment NPR just had a story on natural gas saying we could be virtually energy independent in 10 years. We need to make this happen!

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    As I sit here this moment NPR just had a story on natural gas saying we could be virtually energy independent in 10 years. We need to make this happen!
    Ok, looks good. naturaly The next question is given all the other products we make from patrolium, how many of those same products can be made from natural gas?

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ok, looks good. naturaly The next question is given all the other products we make from patrolium, how many of those same products can be made from natural gas?
    We will always need oil but if we can move most of our transportation to ng that frees oil up for other things. The NPR report I referred to was saying between our natural gas and Canada's shale oil we could tell the Mideast goodbye and good luck, wouldn't THAT feel good.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ok, looks good. naturaly The next question is given all the other products we make from patrolium, how many of those same products can be made from natural gas?
    Probably not many, but oil dependence for gasoline is our single biggest use of petroleum, so it might make a considerable impact on our foreign dependence, which is something I can get fully behind.
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