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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They aren't common at all, but a couple of weeks ago, I stopped at a local gas station to fill up, and noticed they are building a Propane filling station on-site. Really surprised me, but it's a large chain, and I figure they must be expecting NG to pick up in demand if they are going to the expense of installing a station.
    Propane and NG aren't the same thing. Likely a big propane tank is filled by a truck at the site, and then end users can fill their smaller propane tanks that they bring in. I don't know of any propane piping infrastructure on a wide scale.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

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    Propane and NG aren't the same thing. Likely a big propane tank is filled by a truck at the site, and then end users can fill their smaller propane tanks that they bring in. I don't know of any propane piping infrastructure on a wide scale.
    propane is much more dangerous, as well.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Oddly though it is more popular as an automotive fuel than natural gas, probably because it can be stored in liquid form much more easily than NG.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    propane is much more dangerous, as well.
    It has a simple enough fix. Put a polyurethane coating on the inside of the tank, our troops have been doing that to fuel trucks in theater and it minimizes damage to the shell of the tank and spark interacting with the fuel. It's not perfect but the margin of error goes up significantly.

    Edit- CNG isn't the same thing and I misread. But CNG has a similar volatilaty problem solved by the same fix.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Propane and NG aren't the same thing. Likely a big propane tank is filled by a truck at the site, and then end users can fill their smaller propane tanks that they bring in. I don't know of any propane piping infrastructure on a wide scale.
    Yeah, I realize they aren't the same thing, but I thought it was pretty cool to see that they are interested in a market other than gasoline, and apparently expect that there will be demand.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    How much would a natural gas compressor unit be for your home? Couldn't you use your own?

    Edit: Yep, there is an Italian company that makes one that uses less power than "a kitchen appliance".
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    CNG is a great idea if you can afford one of those home refueling units, but they cost $4000, not including installation, and it takes all night to refuel. CNG isn't ready for prime time when it comes to non-fleet uses. Gasoline is still king.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    The fact is we have natural gas and could become very close to energy independent if we switched over to it on a large scale. From what I gather this stuff burns cleaner too so it's good all the way around. I hate to say this I really do because 99% of the time I am against the Feds getting involved in anything and usually say let the market decide what we do but this may be an exception. As Rocket said theres a bit of a catch 22 here, no filling stations nobody buys the cars, no cars nobody builds the filling stations so in this one instance I would be for the Feds giving no interest loans and tax breaks to get the ball rolling and maybe even tax breaks to buy these cars. This is a national security issue in alot of ways and that is one of the main jobs the Fed gov is supposed to do.

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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The fact is we have natural gas and could become very close to energy independent if we switched over to it on a large scale. From what I gather this stuff burns cleaner too so it's good all the way around. I hate to say this I really do because 99% of the time I am against the Feds getting involved in anything and usually say let the market decide what we do but this may be an exception. As Rocket said theres a bit of a catch 22 here, no filling stations nobody buys the cars, no cars nobody builds the filling stations so in this one instance I would be for the Feds giving no interest loans and tax breaks to get the ball rolling and maybe even tax breaks to buy these cars. This is a national security issue in alot of ways and that is one of the main jobs the Fed gov is supposed to do.
    I think if cities would adopt perks based policy such as giving a preferable business tax rate to stations that provide x amount of CNG in fast-fill capacity within the year and possibly having a "waiver" of certain taxes for drivers it would be a cheap way to garner interest.
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    Re: New GM pickup will have natural gas option

    This is an alternative for medium and large businesses who have access to the required infrastructure. A great way to increase productivity, but as stated, government subsidy is required to gain fast traction.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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