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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm sorry I know more about Cuba than your Vietnam war vet uncle.
    You ignored the article about cruising in the Caribbean that proves fishermen give and or trade lobster with people on boatsall the time on so your calling me a liar is obviously unfounded. One question for you though, are you a naturalized Canadian citizen because you ran up there to avoid the draft? Somehow I think so.

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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You ignored the article about cruising in the Caribbean that proves fishermen give and or trade lobster with people on boatsall the time on so your calling me a liar is obviously unfounded. One question for you though, are you a naturalized Canadian citizen because you ran up there to avoid the draft? Somehow I think so.
    Since this thread is derailed... Do you have a bunker?

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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You ignored the article about cruising in the Caribbean that proves fishermen give and or trade lobster with people on boatsall the time
    Read your own link this the only bit talking about fishermen and their lobster:

    Wherever we anchored, local fishermen invariably offered us some of their catch. Photo by David Alleste
    How do you get from that:

    1. Old American baseball caps are valuable
    2. They traded them for worthless things.

    on so your calling me a liar is obviously unfounded.
    No. It's very founded.

    One question for you though, are you a naturalized Canadian citizen because you ran up there to avoid the draft? Somehow I think so.
    Hahaha I'm a proud child of the 80s (that means I was born in the 80s). I'm a naturalized citizen because I can afford to be. Can your lying uncle do the same?
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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Read your own link this the only bit talking about fishermen and their lobster:



    How do you get from that:

    1. Old American baseball caps are valuable
    2. They traded them for worthless things.



    No. It's very founded.



    Hahaha I'm a proud child of the 80s (that means I was born in the 80s). I'm a naturalized citizen because I can afford to be. Can your lying uncle do the same?
    You may or may not be credible on Cuba, but you've spent the entire thread, thus far, attacking sawyer.
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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You may or may not be credible on Cuba, but you've spent the entire thread, thus far, attacking sawyer.
    Didn't know calling a liar, a liar is an attack.
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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You may or may not be credible on Cuba, but you've spent the entire thread, thus far, attacking sawyer.
    There are alot of interesting people in this forum with ideas to discuss and debate. Sometimes you just have to put up with certain other people that seem to have issues and just want to bicker, oh well, this is how you tell who's who.

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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm sorry I will call it my liar list instead, apparently calling someone a liar is ok but punk, THAT crosses a line damnit. LOL
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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    The steel boat was bigger than most in the fishing fleet -- twice the size of Little Gidding, our 36 foot sailboat -- and much to our surprise, its friendly crew didn't offer us a sack full of lobsters. Instead, they invited us to go lobstering with them! David grabbed his snorkelling gear and we both clambered aboard.
    Instead, they invited us to go lobstering with them! David grabbed his snorkelling gear and we both clambered aboard.
    Instead, they invited us to go lobstering with them!

    Instead, they invited us to go lobstering with them!

    Instead, they invited us to go lobstering with them!

    Instead, they invited us to go lobstering with them!

    invited us to go lobstering with them!
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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    For all you liberal socialist types that think Cuba is your Utopia I suggest you watch this. The part that is really telling is the hip hop guy that isn't allowed to sing his songs about racism in Cuba. This is what Communism is, this is where we may be heading with the left wanting to shut up people like Rush. Anything that makes the state look bad is not allowed, is this really what you want? I just happened to watch this and it was very eye opening.
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    I'm with you - I really don't care if they're racist down there - but I never could understand this growing 'admiration' of Cuba as if they have things all figured out - or something.
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    Re: Hidden racism in Cuba

    Somehow this has turned into the Cuban lobtser thread LOL. In a way though it fits my OP because when you look into this you find how opression and Communisim don't work. The state owns all lobster and all lobster boats and the lobster is virtually all exported to enrich the Cuban government so the people in Cuba are deprived of one of their best food resources.Fishermen who man these boats are paid a meager wage and are happy to give lobster to cruisers that visit their waters just to talk to them and will sometimes accept gifts or even small payment in return.



    Cayo Media Luna – Half Moon Bay - Another protected anchorage but busy compared to the last two as two small fishing boats and a larger boat are already anchored in the bay. The water was murky at the anchorage but clean near the mangroves and we dinghyed out for a good explore hoping to see some lobster. We were told they live in the mangroves here. We found no lobster in the mangroves but hit the jackpot in the late afternoon when both small fishing boats came to see if we wanted to buy or trade for some fish. We told them we wanted lobster and they took off to find us some. This time we paid 10 CUC (about $10 Canadian) for 6 big lobster and 2 small ones. A month’s wage is $40 CUC here. They also wanted some Cuban rum, which we were happy to share

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    And this, geeez talk about slave labor, no unions in this workers paradise I guess.


    PINAR DEL RIO, March 14 (Víctor Rolando Arroyo, UPECI) - Hundreds of lobster fishermen in La Coloma, Pinar del Río province, have been making do with 80 percent of their salaries; they haven ’t received the remaining 20 percent, which is

    supposed to be paid in dollars, since December.

    Officials in charge of the local fishing industry say they don’t have the dollars to pay

    them, in spite of the fact that the lobsters are sold exclusively in the dollar market.

    The government fisheries company pays the fishermen 50 dollars (1,100 pesos) per ton of lobsters delivered. From that it discounts approximately 40 percent or 20 dollars (440 pesos) for supplies, fuel and repairs on the boats. Of the net payment to the fishermen of 30 dollars (660 pesos), 80 percent is paid in pesos and 20 percent in dollars.

    FROM CUBA / Lobster fishermen haven’t been paid in full since December / UPECI - Cuba News / Noticias - CubaNet News

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