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Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

As noted in one or both of the previous mega-threads on this subject, the lower section of the pipeline will divert oil from the midwest to the Gulf Coast (to, I guess, overseas), causing gasoline prices to rise in the midwest.

TransCanada itself has admitted that (the midwest price rise).

The oil is actually slated to go to the Texas refineries. It may, then, be sold overseas, but I suspect some portion of it will be sold in the U.S. At any rate, it means U.S. jobs.
 
Cleaning up a pipeline spill crossing a turbulent, fast moving river is a competely different ballgame and quite nearly inpossible.

Ted Turner has a huge Buffalo ranch in Montana.. He doesn't want the pipeline to cross the "Bad River".. For one thing as the river rises out of its banks it coats the grassland on each side with this toxic sludge.

For more information see the Yellowstone River spill which still has not been cleaned up after spending $115 million.

The pipeline won't go anywhere near Montana. What's Turner got to do with this ???

TransCanada and the state of Nebraska agreed on an alternate route last November, so the pipeline has already been rerouted away from the aquifer.
 
The pipeline won't go anywhere near Montana. What's Turner got to do with this ???

TransCanada and the state of Nebraska agreed on an alternate route last November, so the pipeline has already been rerouted away from the aquifer.

Turner doesn't want the pipeine crossing the Bad River on his Buffalo ranch.

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Oh, I know what I'm talking about...though you appear not to.

From your own link:



Combine this to the OP's article:



and



So, you see, that dreaded Canadian oil will be coming through...thanks to Obama and the environmentalists are none to happy about Obama's decision. But...do you think that'll stop them from voting for him? I don't and I'll bet Obama doesn't either. That's why he can safely tell them "F. U.".

But the Independents and the American Sheeple...they'll see this as Obama doing something about rising oil prices.

It's all political to him...not about the good of the country.

Your reply seems to me a bit off, as I was replying to this:

Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
Poor Obama...

First, he puts off his decision on the pipeline with his "environmental" excuses...when what he really wanted was to put off the decision until after the election. That way he could cater to his environmentalist liberal base.

Then, he gets smacked around by the Republicans and has to make a stand...and gets more flak for not allowing the creation of jobs.

Then, gas and oil prices skyrocket and he's seen as not doing anything about it...in fact, he's seen as part of the problem.

So, to salvage some campaign capital, he throws his environmentalist base under the bus and approves the pipeline.


It's a wonder he doesn't get neck strains from all the pretzel-like twisting and turning he's doing. I can't help but wonder if his loss of credibility from these flip-flops is worth it to him. Is getting re-elected REALLY worth it?

As we can see...you are expressing your opinion on the failure of Obama to accept the Pipeline, debasing him as "Poor Obama", and claiming his actions are compromised due to influences from Republicans, Environmentalists....and whoever else you can dig up. My comment and link simply pointed out the error of your assumptions by providing Data that the President had intended to help this aspect of the pipeline from the get go, thus your flip flop comment is somewhat inaccurate.
 
Ooops, you are correct.

LOLOL..

Thanks..

The clean up issues are very different in these tumbling rivers as opposed to the ocean.

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Crossing the rivers seems to be the biggest concern of the environmentalists.. and with just cause. I explained it two posts above.

No, the biggest concern of the environmentalists is that nasty old Canadian tar sand oil moving through our country.

That was illustrated in the OP's article.
 
Your reply seems to me a bit off, as I was replying to this:



As we can see...you are expressing your opinion on the failure of Obama to accept the Pipeline, debasing him as "Poor Obama", and claiming his actions are compromised due to influences from Republicans, Environmentalists....and whoever else you can dig up. My comment and link simply pointed out the error of your assumptions by providing Data that the President had intended to help this aspect of the pipeline from the get go, thus your flip flop comment is somewhat inaccurate.

My assumptions are sound given past actions of Obama and given the attitudes of the environmentalists.

Your mistake is believing the reasoning that Obama has made public...just so much disinformation.

This isn't the first time he's used some issue for political gain, you know.
 
No, the biggest concern of the environmentalists is that nasty old Canadian tar sand oil moving through our country.

That was illustrated in the OP's article.

Oh piffle.. You think everyone who writes an article has the facts or has invested much thought and research?
 
My assumptions are sound given past actions of Obama and given the attitudes of the environmentalists.

You have yet to point out these actions...please do.

Your mistake is believing the reasoning that Obama has made public...just so much disinformation.

As I do not have security clearance, access to secret Government files, or your ability to perceive the unseen...I am limited to Public Data. As it seems you are privy to such things, please post them here to educate those of us less fortunate in the area of Government insight.

This isn't the first time he's used some issue for political gain, you know.

Yes, I do know. He is after all a politician, funny how those guys tend to politic.
 
Yes, I do know. He is after all a politician, funny how those guys tend to politic.

Here's one example of many:

Immigration Reform. Obama promised Latinos that he would pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform in his first year.

Here's what Latinos think of that:

Talking Out of Both Sides of His Mouth:

With the President amping up deportations, many Latinos feel he is speaking one way to them and in another fashion to the rest of America: blaming obstructionist Republicans for refusing to partner to pass CIR, then talking tough, especially to non-Hispanic audiences, on enforcement.

http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/our-issues/election-2012-president-obama-s-stance-immigration

Add that to his pretzel-action on oil...on again, off again, on again...and you begin to see a pattern, eh? I don't think it's possible for him to take a stand on any issue and stick with it.

Do you want more examples?
 
Here's one example of many:

Immigration Reform. Obama promised Latinos that he would pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform in his first year.

Here's what Latinos think of that:



Add that to his pretzel-action on oil...on again, off again, on again...and you begin to see a pattern, eh? I don't think it's possible for him to take a stand on any issue and stick with it.

Do you want more examples?

Firstly, I agree Obama has not implemented Immigration reform to a large extent. I also understand that Obama CANNOT do so without action in Congress, and that would be a miracle should it happen. He has a hard time getting through even the things Republicans want, as they seem to go against their own agendas to spite him and deny our president the ability to do his job. It is also worth pointing out that he's been a bit preoccupied with a couple hundred other important aspects of repairing this country...It's interesting how the Republicans all lined up behind Bush on Immigration reform, but line up in front of Obama when he tries to do the same damn thing.
As far as the Oil thingy, I might point out the increase in leases, domestic production, and support for the industry...but you are already aware of these things, hopefully. I imagine you are linking the Keystone Pipeline to Oil in general, as it gives you a talking point from which to complain. I suppose you also blame Obama for Gas price increases as this fits the "Pattern".

If you actually decided to do a small bit of research on google, or god forbid read anything...you would note this patterned pretzel you are seeing, does not exist.

I would very much like a few more examples, preferably a few that are pertinent to the debate and question asked of you.
 
Poor Obama...

First, he puts off his decision on the pipeline with his "environmental" excuses...when what he really wanted was to put off the decision until after the election. That way he could cater to his environmentalist liberal base.

Then, he gets smacked around by the Republicans and has to make a stand...and gets more flak for not allowing the creation of jobs.

Then, gas and oil prices skyrocket and he's seen as not doing anything about it...in fact, he's seen as part of the problem.

So, to salvage some campaign capital, he throws his environmentalist base under the bus and approves the pipeline.


It's a wonder he doesn't get neck strains from all the pretzel-like twisting and turning he's doing. I can't help but wonder if his loss of credibility from these flip-flops is worth it to him. Is getting re-elected REALLY worth it?

Hey!!! The president is an idiot for not allowing the pipeline!
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Hey!!! The president is an idiot for allowing the pipeline!

When your points are so incoherent it's hard to consider anything you say as "serious".
 
Oh piffle.. You think everyone who writes an article has the facts or has invested much thought and research?

In regards to the article, there really isn't any inherent bias in it, the quote myocraft uses is from the enviromentalists response that is quoted within the article.
 
Hey!!! The president is an idiot for not allowing the pipeline!
...

Hey!!! The president is an idiot for allowing the pipeline!

When your points are so incoherent it's hard to consider anything you say as "serious".

Hmmm...

I don't recall saying that Obama was an idiot for doing anything. Could you supply the quote you are referring to?

No, he's definitely not an idiot. On the other hand, he won't stand behind any of his proposals...if it becomes a political liability. You know, a flip-flopper of the worst kind.
 
Firstly, I agree Obama has not implemented Immigration reform to a large extent. I also understand that Obama CANNOT do so without action in Congress, and that would be a miracle should it happen. He has a hard time getting through even the things Republicans want, as they seem to go against their own agendas to spite him and deny our president the ability to do his job. It is also worth pointing out that he's been a bit preoccupied with a couple hundred other important aspects of repairing this country...It's interesting how the Republicans all lined up behind Bush on Immigration reform, but line up in front of Obama when he tries to do the same damn thing.
As far as the Oil thingy, I might point out the increase in leases, domestic production, and support for the industry...but you are already aware of these things, hopefully. I imagine you are linking the Keystone Pipeline to Oil in general, as it gives you a talking point from which to complain. I suppose you also blame Obama for Gas price increases as this fits the "Pattern".

If you actually decided to do a small bit of research on google, or god forbid read anything...you would note this patterned pretzel you are seeing, does not exist.

I would very much like a few more examples, preferably a few that are pertinent to the debate and question asked of you.

Oh, I've done the research. Here's a news report of Obama just this year...calling for immigration reform during his State Of The Union Campaign Speech, knowing it'll never happen. The Senate Democrats won't consider it. But, of course, it's an election year you know.

Obama calls for comprehensive immigration reform (1:48) - The Washington Post


Anyway, you asked for another example, right? Here's a recent one:

A $1.3 Trillion Hole
 
Oh, I've done the research. Here's a news report of Obama just this year...calling for immigration reform during his State Of The Union Campaign Speech, knowing it'll never happen. The Senate Democrats won't consider it. But, of course, it's an election year you know.

Obama calls for comprehensive immigration reform (1:48) - The Washington Post


Anyway, you asked for another example, right? Here's a recent one:

A $1.3 Trillion Hole

Why do you imagine it will never happen? Could it be for the very reasons I indicated?
Then you post a link to a partisan editorial on the Budget Process?

At issue here is a post YOU made claiming Obama is not following through on promises, and flip flopping on keystone...and that he's "Poor Obama" due to his pandering to various groups (which by the way, is another way of listening to your citizens), Yet when asked to back it up you provide links to a partisan opinion piece on the Budget, and a video of him pushing for Immigration reform...while claiming he knows full well it wont happen.

WTF


Either you are new at this whole debate thing....or you simply suck at it.
 
Why do you imagine it will never happen? Could it be for the very reasons I indicated?
Then you post a link to a partisan editorial on the Budget Process?

At issue here is a post YOU made claiming Obama is not following through on promises, and flip flopping on keystone...and that he's "Poor Obama" due to his pandering to various groups (which by the way, is another way of listening to your citizens), Yet when asked to back it up you provide links to a partisan opinion piece on the Budget, and a video of him pushing for Immigration reform...while claiming he knows full well it wont happen.

WTF


Either you are new at this whole debate thing....or you simply suck at it.

LOL!!!

No, my initial contention is that Obama's decisions are solely based on whether they will get him elected or not. That he makes no consideration whether his decisions will actually be good for the country. My use of the phrase "Poor Obama" was my way of expressing sympathy for his predicament...that he got himself into.

You, and others, have disputed my contention and I've given examples of his use of proposals to advance his campaign. Now, you are free to dispute my contention and free to dismiss my examples. You are also free to show me how I'm wrong (you haven't done that yet).

Anyway, if you don't like my debate style, then stop responding to me, eh?
 
LOL!!!

No, my initial contention is that Obama's decisions are solely based on whether they will get him elected or not. That he makes no consideration whether his decisions will actually be good for the country. My use of the phrase "Poor Obama" was my way of expressing sympathy for his predicament...that he got himself into.

You, and others, have disputed my contention and I've given examples of his use of proposals to advance his campaign. Now, you are free to dispute my contention and free to dismiss my examples. You are also free to show me how I'm wrong (you haven't done that yet).

Anyway, if you don't like my debate style, then stop responding to me, eh?

Actually, I am enjoying this discussion.

I must state however, that what you describe above as your intended meaning...bares very little resemblance to this:

"Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
Poor Obama...

First, he puts off his decision on the pipeline with his "environmental" excuses...when what he really wanted was to put off the decision until after the election. That way he could cater to his environmentalist liberal base.

Then, he gets smacked around by the Republicans and has to make a stand...and gets more flak for not allowing the creation of jobs.

Then, gas and oil prices skyrocket and he's seen as not doing anything about it...in fact, he's seen as part of the problem.

So, to salvage some campaign capital, he throws his environmentalist base under the bus and approves the pipeline.


It's a wonder he doesn't get neck strains from all the pretzel-like twisting and turning he's doing. I can't help but wonder if his loss of credibility from these flip-flops is worth it to him. Is getting re-elected REALLY worth it?"


I am a bit confused as to which comment I should prove wrong first, but if you would pick one I will happily do my best.
 
Actually, I am enjoying this discussion.

I must state however, that what you describe above as your intended meaning...bares very little resemblance to this:

"Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
Poor Obama...

First, he puts off his decision on the pipeline with his "environmental" excuses...when what he really wanted was to put off the decision until after the election. That way he could cater to his environmentalist liberal base.

Then, he gets smacked around by the Republicans and has to make a stand...and gets more flak for not allowing the creation of jobs.

Then, gas and oil prices skyrocket and he's seen as not doing anything about it...in fact, he's seen as part of the problem.

So, to salvage some campaign capital, he throws his environmentalist base under the bus and approves the pipeline.


It's a wonder he doesn't get neck strains from all the pretzel-like twisting and turning he's doing. I can't help but wonder if his loss of credibility from these flip-flops is worth it to him. Is getting re-elected REALLY worth it?"


I am a bit confused as to which comment I should prove wrong first, but if you would pick one I will happily do my best.

Take your pick.
 
The White House pledged support for the portion of the pipeline to bring U.S. crude from Oklahoma to the Gulf Coast but the broader proposal to bring oil sands from Alberta to Texas requires the State Department's approval and there may be a delay in the application process. Oil sands extraction is generally held to be more environmentally damaging than conventional crude oil and the approved portion is considered to be environmentally safe.
 
Daily Kos: Obama administration okays key section of pipeline, making ultimate Keystone decision obvious

So it seems as if the Keystone pipeline is one step closer to coming to fruition here in the states, pending the approval of the rest of the pipeline, which is looking more likely in the hopes that TransCanada is looking into a plan to avoid the sandhills of Nebraska.

Thoughts?

Just in time for the election. How 'bout that?

Nice to see Obama playing politics with people's lives. What a dirtbag.
 
Just in time for the election. How 'bout that?

Nice to see Obama playing politics with people's lives. What a dirtbag.

Surely, you jest......

You debase Obama for slowing the production of 5000 jobs as "Playing politics with Peoples lives" because Glenn Beck says its so...ignoring the FACT that he denied the pipeline based on the outcry from people worried their lives would be effected?

And, you do so in a thread explaining that he is pushing for some of it, which I have yet to understand....as far as republicans b!tching about getting what they wanted, and paying no attention to the FACT, our president was helping this as much as he could. Seriously, it's as if you have all become crazy-ass dittoheads .
 
Surely, you jest......

You debase Obama for slowing the production of 5000 jobs as "Playing politics with Peoples lives" because Glenn Beck says its so...ignoring the FACT that he denied the pipeline based on the outcry from people worried their lives would be effected?

And, you do so in a thread explaining that he is pushing for some of it, which I have yet to understand....as far as republicans b!tching about getting what they wanted, and paying no attention to the FACT, our president was helping this as much as he could. Seriously, it's as if you have all become crazy-ass dittoheads .

Of course Obama is playing politics. It's what he's done since he got into Office. I mean, seriously...should we expect any OTHER behavior from him???
 
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