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Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

Mycroft said:
Of course Obama is playing politics. It's what he's done since he got into Office. I mean, seriously...should we expect any OTHER behavior from him???
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Obviously, my attempting to engage your intellect in a worthwhile debate is a failure...so be it.

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tecoyah said:
Obviously, my attempting to engage your intellect in a worthwhile debate is a failure...so be it.

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LOL!!!

Uh-huh...real intelligent discussion on your part...calling anyone who disagrees with you "crazy-ass dittoheads".

I guess we are lucky you aren't Mensa-caliber.
 
tecoyah said:
Firstly, I agree Obama has not implemented Immigration reform to a large extent. I also understand that Obama CANNOT do so without action in Congress, and that would be a miracle should it happen. He has a hard time getting through even the things Republicans want, as they seem to go against their own agendas to spite him and deny our president the ability to do his job. It is also worth pointing out that he's been a bit preoccupied with a couple hundred other important aspects of repairing this country...It's interesting how the Republicans all lined up behind Bush on Immigration reform, but line up in front of Obama when he tries to do the same damn thing.
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What prevented Obama from ramming through anything he wanted during his first two years like he did healthcare. He had solid majorities in both houses and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for much of that time.

More excuses and "blame the republicans" for everything. Pitiful.

As far as the Oil thingy, I might point out the increase in leases, domestic production, and support for the industry...but you are already aware of these things, hopefully. I imagine you are linking the Keystone Pipeline to Oil in general, as it gives you a talking point from which to complain. I suppose you also blame Obama for Gas price increases as this fits the "Pattern".

If you actually decided to do a small bit of research on google, or god forbid read anything...you would note this patterned pretzel you are seeing, does not exist.

I would very much like a few more examples, preferably a few that are pertinent to the debate and question asked of you.
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Partially correct. Domestic production and leases have increased to an all time high. Unfortunately for your premise, Obama and the federal government had absolutely nothing to do with it. The increase is occurring on private and state lands. In 2011, natural gas production on federal land dropped 11% and oil production dropped 14%. You bought one of the many lies Obama told in his energy speech last week.

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You were completely right in your last statement though........... lack of research and gulping the party line is no excuse for ignorance.
 
AClockworkGrape said:
Daily Kos: Obama administration okays key section of pipeline, making ultimate Keystone decision obvious

So it seems as if the Keystone pipeline is one step closer to coming to fruition here in the states, pending the approval of the rest of the pipeline, which is looking more likely in the hopes that TransCanada is looking into a plan to avoid the sandhills of Nebraska.

Thoughts?
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I am against it because of the fact they are using eminent domain to seize land.No company should ever be allowed to eminent domain especially a foreign owned company.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/u...omain-fight-over-pipeline.html?pagewanted=all
 
Republicans cant even agree with Obama on issues THEY agree on. It's truly sad the average American who doesnt follow politics cant comprehend this. The Republican party had one goal in mind after the 10' mid terms..... make a giant human wall so Obama can get nothing accomplished. That's not called governing, its called holding America's government hostage for religious ideology. The thought of these people have the slightest chance....and when I say this I mean SLIGHTEST..... for complete control of the government makes me want to re-new my passport as soon as possible. Before we know it, mexicans will be shot on sight and going to college will be frowned upon. I knew one day the Republican party would begin to show its true colors but I had no idea they would do it willingly.
 
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Bill Clinton gets it. Geez...I wish we could make him president again. Say what you want about his faults, the man was a leader, not the vapid, empty suit shadow currently residing in the WH. He very clearly expressed the need for production of North American fuel resources. He also discussed the concerns over the abandonment of green energy fuel alternatives...valid concerns. The high price of oil today isnt caused what is currently available, it is caused by uncertainty and the futures market. if the US and Canada take an aggressive pro-development posture with regard to NA oil and fuel resources, the Persian Gulf Oil concerns would not vanish...but they would certainly have less of an impact on the markets.
 
SypherAL said:
Republicans cant even agree with Obama on issues THEY agree on. It's truly sad the average American who doesnt follow politics cant comprehend this. The Republican party had one goal in mind after the 10' mid terms..... make a giant human wall so Obama can get nothing accomplished. That's not called governing, its called holding America's government hostage for religious ideology. The thought of these people have the slightest chance....and when I say this I mean SLIGHTEST..... for complete control of the government makes me want to re-new my passport as soon as possible. Before we know it, mexicans will be shot on sight and going to college will be frowned upon. I knew one day the Republican party would begin to show its true colors but I had no idea they would do it willingly.
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Before your edit, you were only mildly hyperbolic in your post. After your edit, you went whole hog.

So it goes.

btw, whenever I hear someone threaten to move out of the country if something happens, I feel the urge to laugh.
 
Hikertrash said:
Rather than rush the pipeline without environmental considerations and concerns from residents where the pipeline will pass, Obama does the right thing. Can't wait for the Republican spin.
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No spin is needed. The lower pipeline never required Presidential permission, in fact Obama requested it be built when he disapproved the northern part. Because the northern part crosses the border it needs Presidential approval. The link from Daily KOZ is deliberately misleading. The Obama administration's ok was always there although legally it was not needed. Although they certainly can expedite the process. Why wouldn't they? The main concern of the environmentalists is the actual mining and the transport over a small portion of the proposed route. Transcanada is doing the administration a huge favor by alleviating the bottleneck of oil in Cushing. I would guess in response to an Obama committment to allow the full pipeline if he is reelected.
By the way...the State Department has already spent over 3 years studying the expected environmental impact and issued 3 different reports all recommending construction.

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Calgary-based TransCanada, which is building the pipeline, said it could move ahead with the southern leg of the proposed 1,700-mile oil pipeline because it did not cross the U.S. border, thus did not need Mr. Obama’s approval. The shorter pipeline is expected to cost roughly $2.3 billion and create some 4,000 jobs and will be completed next year.
But Rep. Lee Terry, Nebraska Republican, who has been a big supporter of the Keystone XL project, called the president’s endorsement of the smaller pipeline a “glorification of the status quo.”

Mr. Terry helped lead the effort in December to force Mr. Obama to make a quicker call on the pipeline application.

“I think that’s another political move on their part,” Mr. Terry said. “TransCanada doesn’t require a presidential permit from Cushing to the Gulf. They could’ve built that anytime without the president’s approval.”
White House hails scaled-down Keystone pipeline plan - Washington Times
 
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