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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Hey!!! The president is an idiot for not allowing the pipeline!
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    Hey!!! The president is an idiot for allowing the pipeline!

    When your points are so incoherent it's hard to consider anything you say as "serious".
    Hmmm...

    I don't recall saying that Obama was an idiot for doing anything. Could you supply the quote you are referring to?

    No, he's definitely not an idiot. On the other hand, he won't stand behind any of his proposals...if it becomes a political liability. You know, a flip-flopper of the worst kind.
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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Firstly, I agree Obama has not implemented Immigration reform to a large extent. I also understand that Obama CANNOT do so without action in Congress, and that would be a miracle should it happen. He has a hard time getting through even the things Republicans want, as they seem to go against their own agendas to spite him and deny our president the ability to do his job. It is also worth pointing out that he's been a bit preoccupied with a couple hundred other important aspects of repairing this country...It's interesting how the Republicans all lined up behind Bush on Immigration reform, but line up in front of Obama when he tries to do the same damn thing.
    As far as the Oil thingy, I might point out the increase in leases, domestic production, and support for the industry...but you are already aware of these things, hopefully. I imagine you are linking the Keystone Pipeline to Oil in general, as it gives you a talking point from which to complain. I suppose you also blame Obama for Gas price increases as this fits the "Pattern".

    If you actually decided to do a small bit of research on google, or god forbid read anything...you would note this patterned pretzel you are seeing, does not exist.

    I would very much like a few more examples, preferably a few that are pertinent to the debate and question asked of you.
    Oh, I've done the research. Here's a news report of Obama just this year...calling for immigration reform during his State Of The Union Campaign Speech, knowing it'll never happen. The Senate Democrats won't consider it. But, of course, it's an election year you know.

    Obama calls for comprehensive immigration reform (1:48) - The Washington Post


    Anyway, you asked for another example, right? Here's a recent one:

    A $1.3 Trillion Hole
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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, I've done the research. Here's a news report of Obama just this year...calling for immigration reform during his State Of The Union Campaign Speech, knowing it'll never happen. The Senate Democrats won't consider it. But, of course, it's an election year you know.

    Obama calls for comprehensive immigration reform (1:48) - The Washington Post


    Anyway, you asked for another example, right? Here's a recent one:

    A $1.3 Trillion Hole
    Why do you imagine it will never happen? Could it be for the very reasons I indicated?
    Then you post a link to a partisan editorial on the Budget Process?

    At issue here is a post YOU made claiming Obama is not following through on promises, and flip flopping on keystone...and that he's "Poor Obama" due to his pandering to various groups (which by the way, is another way of listening to your citizens), Yet when asked to back it up you provide links to a partisan opinion piece on the Budget, and a video of him pushing for Immigration reform...while claiming he knows full well it wont happen.

    WTF


    Either you are new at this whole debate thing....or you simply suck at it.

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Why do you imagine it will never happen? Could it be for the very reasons I indicated?
    Then you post a link to a partisan editorial on the Budget Process?

    At issue here is a post YOU made claiming Obama is not following through on promises, and flip flopping on keystone...and that he's "Poor Obama" due to his pandering to various groups (which by the way, is another way of listening to your citizens), Yet when asked to back it up you provide links to a partisan opinion piece on the Budget, and a video of him pushing for Immigration reform...while claiming he knows full well it wont happen.

    WTF


    Either you are new at this whole debate thing....or you simply suck at it.
    LOL!!!

    No, my initial contention is that Obama's decisions are solely based on whether they will get him elected or not. That he makes no consideration whether his decisions will actually be good for the country. My use of the phrase "Poor Obama" was my way of expressing sympathy for his predicament...that he got himself into.

    You, and others, have disputed my contention and I've given examples of his use of proposals to advance his campaign. Now, you are free to dispute my contention and free to dismiss my examples. You are also free to show me how I'm wrong (you haven't done that yet).

    Anyway, if you don't like my debate style, then stop responding to me, eh?
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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!!

    No, my initial contention is that Obama's decisions are solely based on whether they will get him elected or not. That he makes no consideration whether his decisions will actually be good for the country. My use of the phrase "Poor Obama" was my way of expressing sympathy for his predicament...that he got himself into.

    You, and others, have disputed my contention and I've given examples of his use of proposals to advance his campaign. Now, you are free to dispute my contention and free to dismiss my examples. You are also free to show me how I'm wrong (you haven't done that yet).

    Anyway, if you don't like my debate style, then stop responding to me, eh?
    Actually, I am enjoying this discussion.

    I must state however, that what you describe above as your intended meaning...bares very little resemblance to this:

    "Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Poor Obama...

    First, he puts off his decision on the pipeline with his "environmental" excuses...when what he really wanted was to put off the decision until after the election. That way he could cater to his environmentalist liberal base.

    Then, he gets smacked around by the Republicans and has to make a stand...and gets more flak for not allowing the creation of jobs.

    Then, gas and oil prices skyrocket and he's seen as not doing anything about it...in fact, he's seen as part of the problem.

    So, to salvage some campaign capital, he throws his environmentalist base under the bus and approves the pipeline.


    It's a wonder he doesn't get neck strains from all the pretzel-like twisting and turning he's doing. I can't help but wonder if his loss of credibility from these flip-flops is worth it to him. Is getting re-elected REALLY worth it?"


    I am a bit confused as to which comment I should prove wrong first, but if you would pick one I will happily do my best.

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Actually, I am enjoying this discussion.

    I must state however, that what you describe above as your intended meaning...bares very little resemblance to this:

    "Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Poor Obama...

    First, he puts off his decision on the pipeline with his "environmental" excuses...when what he really wanted was to put off the decision until after the election. That way he could cater to his environmentalist liberal base.

    Then, he gets smacked around by the Republicans and has to make a stand...and gets more flak for not allowing the creation of jobs.

    Then, gas and oil prices skyrocket and he's seen as not doing anything about it...in fact, he's seen as part of the problem.

    So, to salvage some campaign capital, he throws his environmentalist base under the bus and approves the pipeline.


    It's a wonder he doesn't get neck strains from all the pretzel-like twisting and turning he's doing. I can't help but wonder if his loss of credibility from these flip-flops is worth it to him. Is getting re-elected REALLY worth it?"


    I am a bit confused as to which comment I should prove wrong first, but if you would pick one I will happily do my best.
    Take your pick.
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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    The White House pledged support for the portion of the pipeline to bring U.S. crude from Oklahoma to the Gulf Coast but the broader proposal to bring oil sands from Alberta to Texas requires the State Department's approval and there may be a delay in the application process. Oil sands extraction is generally held to be more environmentally damaging than conventional crude oil and the approved portion is considered to be environmentally safe.

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by AClockworkGrape View Post
    Daily Kos: Obama administration okays key section of pipeline, making ultimate Keystone decision obvious

    So it seems as if the Keystone pipeline is one step closer to coming to fruition here in the states, pending the approval of the rest of the pipeline, which is looking more likely in the hopes that TransCanada is looking into a plan to avoid the sandhills of Nebraska.

    Thoughts?
    Just in time for the election. How 'bout that?

    Nice to see Obama playing politics with people's lives. What a dirtbag.
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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just in time for the election. How 'bout that?

    Nice to see Obama playing politics with people's lives. What a dirtbag.
    Surely, you jest......

    You debase Obama for slowing the production of 5000 jobs as "Playing politics with Peoples lives" because Glenn Beck says its so...ignoring the FACT that he denied the pipeline based on the outcry from people worried their lives would be effected?

    And, you do so in a thread explaining that he is pushing for some of it, which I have yet to understand....as far as republicans b!tching about getting what they wanted, and paying no attention to the FACT, our president was helping this as much as he could. Seriously, it's as if you have all become crazy-ass dittoheads .

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Surely, you jest......

    You debase Obama for slowing the production of 5000 jobs as "Playing politics with Peoples lives" because Glenn Beck says its so...ignoring the FACT that he denied the pipeline based on the outcry from people worried their lives would be effected?

    And, you do so in a thread explaining that he is pushing for some of it, which I have yet to understand....as far as republicans b!tching about getting what they wanted, and paying no attention to the FACT, our president was helping this as much as he could. Seriously, it's as if you have all become crazy-ass dittoheads .
    Of course Obama is playing politics. It's what he's done since he got into Office. I mean, seriously...should we expect any OTHER behavior from him???
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