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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Wow, what a trash post. Apt username.

    Obama made a big show of rejecting the Keystone Pipeline to pander to his loser base, and is now attempting to get the substance of it approved through more discreet means.
    Cleaning up a pipeline spill crossing a turbulent, fast moving river is a competely different ballgame and quite nearly inpossible.

    Ted Turner has a huge Buffalo ranch in Montana.. He doesn't want the pipeline to cross the "Bad River".. For one thing as the river rises out of its banks it coats the grassland on each side with this toxic sludge.

    For more information see the Yellowstone River spill which still has not been cleaned up after spending $115 million.

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by debpayne View Post
    Lucky us, more foriegn oil. Since our #1 export is our oil perhaps we should demand more from our politicians and the oil companies. Obviously since oil is the #1 export there is no oil shortage in America and since we give billions to our oil companies in tax breaks and subsidies on top of their record profits every year in the billions. We should demand lower prices for our tax dollars we give them or stop giving them our tax dollars. They make billions and can afford to pay their share in taxes and since small business in this country doesn't get subsidies to run their business's why should they. Small business employs more people than big business yet we sink or swim. Plus it has become pretty obvious that since oil is the #1 export that our politcians have been lying to us for a very long time since every year the prices go up and up and they scream shortage and drill on one side and to bad on the other. Hmmmmm
    Oil company profit margins remain steady at about 7%................ Who is screaming "shortage"? Oil is managed by "just in time inventories"... like most businesses.

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Uh...do you even bother to research before you voice opinion?

    ""The Gulf Coast project will transport growing supplies of U.S. crude oil to meet refinery demand in Texas," TransCanada said in a statement. "Gulf Coast refineries can then access lower cost domestic production and avoid paying a premium to foreign oil producers. This would reduce the United States' dependence on foreign crude and allow Americans to use more of the crude oil produced in their own country."

    Last month, Obama rejected TransCanada's permit for the northern leg after a multiyear federal review process. Many environmentalists and Nebraska state leaders had joined forces to oppose the XL's planned route through the Sand Hills and over the enormous Ogallala Aquifer in the region.

    Congressional Republicans, as part of an unrelated tax deal, had required Obama to make a decision on the northern pipeline by Feb. 21.

    Obama has supported the stand-alone southern leg for the Keystone and has not ruled out future consideration of the northern section.

    "As the president made clear in January, we support the company's interest in proceeding with this project, which will help address the bottleneck of oil in Cushing that has resulted in large part from increased domestic oil production, currently at an eight year high," a White House statement said Monday. "Moving oil from the Midwest to the world-class, state-of-the-art refineries on the Gulf Coast will modernize our infrastructure, create jobs, and encourage American energy production."


    Portion of Keystone pipeline to be built | Tulsa World

    This pipeline, though indeed a part of the Keystone system, is meant to solve an issue with Domestic Supplies rather than Canadian. I has been not only supported, but fast tracked by the White House the whole time.

    Your silly spinning is of epic failure...If you are going to try to debase your President, at least know what you are typing about.
    Oh, I know what I'm talking about...though you appear not to.

    From your own link:

    Cushing already is receiving some Canadian and North Dakota crude via a 300-mile Keystone XL leg from Nebraska, which became operational last year. TransCanada ships 100,000 barrels per day into Cushing from the portion, the company reported earlier this month.
    Combine this to the OP's article:

    “TransCanada is hell bent on bringing tar sands, the world’s dirtiest oil, through America to reach foreign markets. They can’t wait for a fair, scientific environmental review they know their pipeline would fail. So we see dirty political tricks, dirty PR tricks, and, now, this dirty trick to build the pipeline piecemeal.”
    and

    “Transcanada's decision to build its pipe from Oklahoma to Texas is a nifty excuse to steal some land by eminent domain. It doesn't increase tar sands mining because there's still no pipe across the Canadian border, but it's the usual ugly power grab and land grab by the fossil fuel industry—we'll do what we can to stand by our allies in that arid and beautiful land.”
    So, you see, that dreaded Canadian oil will be coming through...thanks to Obama and the environmentalists are none to happy about Obama's decision. But...do you think that'll stop them from voting for him? I don't and I'll bet Obama doesn't either. That's why he can safely tell them "F. U.".

    But the Independents and the American Sheeple...they'll see this as Obama doing something about rising oil prices.

    It's all political to him...not about the good of the country.
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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, I know what I'm talking about...though you appear not to.

    From your own link:



    Combine this to the OP's article:



    and



    So, you see, that dreaded Canadian oil will be coming through...thanks to Obama and the environmentalists are none to happy about Obama's decision. But...do you think that'll stop them from voting for him? I don't and I'll bet Obama doesn't either. That's why he can safely tell them "F. U.".

    But the Independents and the American Sheeple...they'll see this as Obama doing something about rising oil prices.

    It's all political to him...not about the good of the country.
    Crossing the rivers seems to be the biggest concern of the environmentalists.. and with just cause. I explained it two posts above.

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie1 View Post
    [...] The oil will be going to the world market and likely won't effect our prices at all. [...]
    As noted in one or both of the previous mega-threads on this subject, the lower section of the pipeline will divert oil from the midwest to the Gulf Coast (to, I guess, overseas), causing gasoline prices to rise in the midwest.

    TransCanada itself has admitted that (the midwest price rise).

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    As noted in one or both of the previous mega-threads on this subject, the lower section of the pipeline will divert oil from the midwest to the Gulf Coast (to, I guess, overseas), causing gasoline prices to rise in the midwest.

    TransCanada itself has admitted that (the midwest price rise).
    The oil is actually slated to go to the Texas refineries. It may, then, be sold overseas, but I suspect some portion of it will be sold in the U.S. At any rate, it means U.S. jobs.
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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    TransCanada itself has admitted that (the midwest price rise).
    LInk ?????

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Cleaning up a pipeline spill crossing a turbulent, fast moving river is a competely different ballgame and quite nearly inpossible.

    Ted Turner has a huge Buffalo ranch in Montana.. He doesn't want the pipeline to cross the "Bad River".. For one thing as the river rises out of its banks it coats the grassland on each side with this toxic sludge.

    For more information see the Yellowstone River spill which still has not been cleaned up after spending $115 million.
    The pipeline won't go anywhere near Montana. What's Turner got to do with this ???

    TransCanada and the state of Nebraska agreed on an alternate route last November, so the pipeline has already been rerouted away from the aquifer.

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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The pipeline won't go anywhere near Montana. What's Turner got to do with this ???

    TransCanada and the state of Nebraska agreed on an alternate route last November, so the pipeline has already been rerouted away from the aquifer.
    Turner doesn't want the pipeine crossing the Bad River on his Buffalo ranch.


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    Re: Obama Administration Approves Key Portion of The Keystone Pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, I know what I'm talking about...though you appear not to.

    From your own link:



    Combine this to the OP's article:



    and



    So, you see, that dreaded Canadian oil will be coming through...thanks to Obama and the environmentalists are none to happy about Obama's decision. But...do you think that'll stop them from voting for him? I don't and I'll bet Obama doesn't either. That's why he can safely tell them "F. U.".

    But the Independents and the American Sheeple...they'll see this as Obama doing something about rising oil prices.

    It's all political to him...not about the good of the country.
    Your reply seems to me a bit off, as I was replying to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Poor Obama...

    First, he puts off his decision on the pipeline with his "environmental" excuses...when what he really wanted was to put off the decision until after the election. That way he could cater to his environmentalist liberal base.

    Then, he gets smacked around by the Republicans and has to make a stand...and gets more flak for not allowing the creation of jobs.

    Then, gas and oil prices skyrocket and he's seen as not doing anything about it...in fact, he's seen as part of the problem.

    So, to salvage some campaign capital, he throws his environmentalist base under the bus and approves the pipeline.


    It's a wonder he doesn't get neck strains from all the pretzel-like twisting and turning he's doing. I can't help but wonder if his loss of credibility from these flip-flops is worth it to him. Is getting re-elected REALLY worth it?
    As we can see...you are expressing your opinion on the failure of Obama to accept the Pipeline, debasing him as "Poor Obama", and claiming his actions are compromised due to influences from Republicans, Environmentalists....and whoever else you can dig up. My comment and link simply pointed out the error of your assumptions by providing Data that the President had intended to help this aspect of the pipeline from the get go, thus your flip flop comment is somewhat inaccurate.

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