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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    the sweet crude (the easily extracted crude)
    "sweet" refers to the amount of sulfur that the petroleum has, not its ease of extraction.
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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    "sweet" refers to the amount of sulfur that the petroleum has, not its ease of extraction.
    The crude containing the lowest amount of sulfur is typically located in the places where it is easiest to extract. The deeper in the Earth oil is, the more sulfur it generally has. Therefore, there is a direct relationship between the "sweetness" of crude and it's ease of extraction.
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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Let me add one more thing too. Farming will once again be regional, and that means that a tomato will no longer be picked green and shipped to the far ends of the earth in refrigerated trucks. Instead, a tomato will once again taste like a tomato.
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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Agreed.

    It would be a huge mistake for the oil executives to drop oil prices prior to election day.
    Why? The left side of the ticket, especially their envirmental stance has been the largest money maker for a longtime now. Also, it was Clinton who continued to let oil companies combine reducing competition and thus raising prices. The EPA has been good to oil, under the table. It has allowed them to continue to dump high cost American production. Oil companies don't really want back into America where the hourly cost of a worker is more than the monthly cost for one in third world countries. Take a look at the history of our imports, the more inviromental laws, the more of the production has been outsourced. Also, due to EPA regulation, the number of refineries has dropped drastically, and only recently did a company start work on a new refinery, the first since 1970. What this means is that everytime one of the refineries goes off-line, they get to increase prices. Also, take a look back over the last 20+ years. If you can find old copies of Road and Track or another publication that printed charts of fuel economy, you will see that the average fuel economy for every common class has dropped with every new Emissions regulation. Even the Hybrids of today do not get the same fuel mileage as some cars 15+ years ago despite a large increase in technology that should of made cars more efficient. A rough estimate from people who do computer tuning is that cars in 2005 were able to get 35% or greater better fuel mileage after removing tuning specs required by Emissions standards. And we've had, what, 2 Emissions updates since then?

    No, big oil might publicaly condemn EPA and liberals, but behind our backs, they are laughing all the way to bank everytime the Dems get control.
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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Why? The left side of the ticket, especially their envirmental stance has been the largest money maker for a longtime now. Also, it was Clinton who continued to let oil companies combine reducing competition and thus raising prices. The EPA has been good to oil, under the table. It has allowed them to continue to dump high cost American production. Oil companies don't really want back into America where the hourly cost of a worker is more than the monthly cost for one in third world countries. Take a look at the history of our imports, the more inviromental laws, the more of the production has been outsourced. Also, due to EPA regulation, the number of refineries has dropped drastically, and only recently did a company start work on a new refinery, the first since 1970. What this means is that everytime one of the refineries goes off-line, they get to increase prices. Also, take a look back over the last 20+ years. If you can find old copies of Road and Track or another publication that printed charts of fuel economy, you will see that the average fuel economy for every common class has dropped with every new Emissions regulation. Even the Hybrids of today do not get the same fuel mileage as some cars 15+ years ago despite a large increase in technology that should of made cars more efficient. A rough estimate from people who do computer tuning is that cars in 2005 were able to get 35% or greater better fuel mileage after removing tuning specs required by Emissions standards. And we've had, what, 2 Emissions updates since then?

    No, big oil might publicaly condemn EPA and liberals, but behind our backs, they are laughing all the way to bank everytime the Dems get control.
    I would like any links you might have on this, but on the surface, what you are saying makes sense. I just want to see the hard data.
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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The crude containing the lowest amount of sulfur is typically located in the places where it is easiest to extract. The deeper in the Earth oil is, the more sulfur it generally has. Therefore, there is a direct relationship between the "sweetness" of crude and it's ease of extraction.
    There are plenty of shallow, easy to extract heavy sour crude deposits around the world. The extra expense of drilling for light, sweet crude in deeper and deeper sources is beginning to offset the refining cost penalty of heavy, sour crude, making these sources more attractive.
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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Anti oil people like to say we are running out of easy oil but in reality oil extraction has never been easy it only appears so looking back with todays technology framing your opinion. Not long ago I hiked into an old oil well site in Glacier NP that was the first oil extracted in the far west. It was bubbling out of the ground and people now would call it "easy oil". The truth is they had to build miles of road through tough country to get to this oil and then ship it in wagons 70 miles to Kallispell Montana, not so easy after all. When these surface deposits were gone so was "easy oil" and the drilling rigs started which pushed technology to the limit. First they drilled 50 feet then that easy oil was gone then they drilled 100 then a 1000 etc etc. We are always chasing the next oil deposits and it always challenges our current technology.

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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The crude containing the lowest amount of sulfur is typically located in the places where it is easiest to extract. The deeper in the Earth oil is, the more sulfur it generally has. Therefore, there is a direct relationship between the "sweetness" of crude and it's ease of extraction.
    Dude, let it go. You're wrong.

    Sweet crude oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Sweet" has nothing to do with how easy it is to extract, so there is absolutely no correlation, much less a direct one, between ease of extraction and whether it's sweet or sour.

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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I would like any links you might have on this, but on the surface, what you are saying makes sense. I just want to see the hard data.
    Here is a link where you can check mileage per make/model of vehicle by year. 1992 Gas Mileage - Fuel Economy Database Use the pull down option to change years. Since the estimates are adjusted for a 2008 standard not the original, you may see some vehicles not listed at the mileage they were originally released as, example, the Geo Metro was originally rated at 57 mpg, but this chart shows it at 53 mpg, however, if you look at the different models for different years, the trend still holds.

    I started at 1992 because by 1993 the 2006 standards had been released and some models were already changing over in 1993. Also by that time fuel economy had risen drastically from many earlier models with fuel injection systems completely replacing carburetors by then and many more multi-point fuel injection models and less throttle body injection models. Key years to focus on, 2006, new standards and the mandatory use of OBD II (On Board Diagnostics II). 2000 was also a new standard as was 2004 unfortunately, the table ends at 2008 and we cannot compare 2009 and later models, however, if you check just from 2004 to 2008, you will see a decrease in mpg. Yes, you will see a few models jump in at higher than previous mpgs, but also take not of type of vehicle, for example the 2004 Honda Insight was rated at 60 mpg, but it was only a two seater model vs a car like the Metro which was a four/five passenger vehicle.

    If you look at the year prior to the mandatory change vs the year of or after the mandatory change, they trend becomes fairly obvious. Example, look at the 1999 model year vs the 2000 model year, sadly in one model year, all the top performers at the time were taken off the market as they could not longer meet EPA requirements and DOT requirements.

    I hope this is some of what you were looking for. I will try to find retunning data from reliable sources (I read it in a magazine somewhere and cannot now remember which one or what year it was published), but because it actually violates the law in some states, data from more reliable sources may be hard to come by.

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    Re: $60 a barrel for oil to arrive in the US soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    "sweet" refers to the amount of sulfur that the petroleum has, not its ease of extraction.
    I thought it just tasted less bitter.
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