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    Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    Lit*tle did Willie Nel*son know when he recorded “Crazy” years ago just how crazy it would be*come for our cher*ished fam*ily farm*ers in Amer*ica. Nel*son, Pres*i*dent of Farm Aid, has re*cently called for the na*tional Oc*cupy move*ment to de*clare an “Oc*cupy the Food Sys*tem” ac*tion.


    Nel*son states, “Cor*po*rate con*trol of our food sys*tem has led to the loss of mil*lions of fam*ily farm*ers, de*struc*tion of our soil…”


    Hun*dreds of cit*i*zens, (even in*clud*ing NYC chefs in their white chef hats) joined Oc*cupy the Food Sys*tem groups, ie Food Democ*racy Now, gath*ered out*side the Fed*eral Courts in Man*hat*tan on Jan*u*ary 31st, to sup*port or*ganic fam*ily farm*ers in their land*mark law*suit against Big Agribusi*ness giant Mon*santo. (Or*ganic Seed Grow*ers & Trade As*so*ci*a*tion v. Mon*santo) Oral ar*gu*ments were heard that day con*cern*ing the law*suit by 83 plain*tiffs rep*re*sent*ing over 300,000 or*ganic farm*ers, or*ganic seed grow*ers, and or*ganic seed busi*nesses.


    The law*suit ad*dresses the bizarre and shock*ing issue of Mon*santo ha*rass*ing and threat*en*ing or*ganic farm*ers with law*suits of “patent in*fringe*ment” if any or*ganic farmer ends up with any trace amount of GM seeds on their or*ganic farm*land.
    300,000 Organic Farmers Sue Monsanto in Federal Court: Decision on March 31st to Go to Trial | NationofChange
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    For 1, organic farming is dumb, but I agree with these guys on a couple of issues.
    Particularly IP infringement when the farmer wasn't actively or passively trying to infringe.

    They didn't do it on purpose, Monsanto should back off.
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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    For 1, organic farming is dumb, but I agree with these guys on a couple of issues.
    Particularly IP infringement when the farmer wasn't actively or passively trying to infringe.

    They didn't do it on purpose, Monsanto should back off.
    Well, to be fair, these organic farms are just supplying a commodity that already has a customer base. So if people want to pay more for organic food then there's nothing wrong with a businesses supplying that demand.

    But yeah, Monsanto are being cockknockers.
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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    I don't see why organic farming is "dumb".

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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I don't see why organic farming is "dumb".
    It can't replicate the yields for staple foods, that is needed to supply the world.
    We're talking about a reduction of 30%+/-.

    A lot of it tends to be a marketing gimmick too.
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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It can't replicate the yields for staple foods, that is needed to supply the world.
    We're talking about a reduction of 30%+/-.

    A lot of it tends to be a marketing gimmick too.
    The only issue I have is that hybrids and geneered crops don't reproduce naturally; you have to keep buying Monsanto seed every year.

    For most bulk farming that's fine.

    But I support keeping a minority of farming using "heirloom seeds" that can be reproduced by the farmer on site, if for no other reason than if something goes wrong and ALL seed were Monsanto patent seeds, we'd get one more good crop and then die off by the billions.

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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The only issue I have is that hybrids and geneered crops don't reproduce naturally; you have to keep buying Monsanto seed every year.

    For most bulk farming that's fine.
    That's usually because they're designed that way.
    Although genetic drift and other anomalies can change that.

    I'm not in favor of IP on living things though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    But I support keeping a minority of farming using "heirloom seeds" that can be reproduced by the farmer on site, if for no other reason than if something goes wrong and ALL seed were Monsanto patent seeds, we'd get one more good crop and then die off by the billions.
    That's fine for novelty farming, etc.
    But if there were a total ban on conventional farming methods, a giant chunk of the world would starve to death.
    Pushing "organic" farming methods could lead to a self induced Malthusian catastrophe.
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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It can't replicate the yields for staple foods, that is needed to supply the world.
    We're talking about a reduction of 30%+/-.
    Who said anything about feeding the whole world, or replacing industrial agriculture completely?

    Part of why I eat organic is because of how unregulated the agricultural sector has become. We have a few key corporations controlling the food supply and their factory practices are appalling. We could still eat non-organic food and not have to suffer lysteria poisoning or artificial hormones, but the FDA is staffed by some of the biggest players in the agricultural business so there's no point in trying to appeal to logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of it tends to be a marketing gimmick too.
    A head of lettuce that hasn't been sprayed with chemical pesticides and herbicides is a gimmick?

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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Who said anything about feeding the whole world, or replacing industrial agriculture completely?

    Part of why I eat organic is because of how unregulated the agricultural sector has become. We have a few key corporations controlling the food supply and their factory practices are appalling. We could still eat non-organic food and not have to suffer lysteria poisoning or artificial hormones, but the FDA is staffed by some of the biggest players in the agricultural business so there's no point in trying to appeal to logic.
    Nah it's regulated, it's just that regulation tends to breed cronyism and corruption of both the government and the private interests involved.


    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    A head of lettuce that hasn't been sprayed with chemical pesticides and herbicides is a gimmick?
    Many plants generate their own pesticides, that are just as dangerous as man made versions.
    Why does it matter?

    Yes, in some cases, the organic industry is playing to the ignorance of their consumers.
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    Re: Willie Nelson: "Occupy the Food System"

    There is lots of evidence to back this up too.
    Around 99.99% of all carcinogenic pesticides that people eat, are all natural.
    Meaning that the plants they eat, created these pesticides.

    A large part of the organic movement is bound in myth and politics.
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